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Re: Poles and Russians !!!
« Reply #45 on: Wednesday 01 April 09 17:32 BST (UK) »
That's wonderful, Val - look forward to hearing your news.
Hope you get some response to your other thread, too.
Take care,
Paulene :)

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Re: Poles and Russians !!!
« Reply #46 on: Friday 03 April 09 18:36 BST (UK) »
I got it today!
Michael Sadaski was born in Zaga in the Provence of Kovna.Russia. Kovna became Kaunas I have discovered.Lipmana & Chaiu were his parents.
Val

Norfolk==Green, Fuller,Nelson,Allen
Staffs==Fradley,Burditt,Ward,Wood
Leicester==Hubbard,Ward,Warner,Dale.Bailey
Leicester==Royce, Cank, Shenton
Leeds=Halliday,Brooke,Woodhead
Birkenhead==Sadaski,Taylor(Jewish)(Polish)
Hull==Brown,Goldstein(Jewish)(Russian)

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Re: Poles and Russians !!!
« Reply #47 on: Saturday 04 April 09 19:39 BST (UK) »
I just wonder if there is any way we can search Russian records. I have found the place of birth Zaga is spelt Zhager and the province of Kovno is now Kaunas.
Great great grand parents are Lipmano and Chiau Sadaski I assume Limano is the man.
Any suggestions where I start?
Val
Norfolk==Green, Fuller,Nelson,Allen
Staffs==Fradley,Burditt,Ward,Wood
Leicester==Hubbard,Ward,Warner,Dale.Bailey
Leicester==Royce, Cank, Shenton
Leeds=Halliday,Brooke,Woodhead
Birkenhead==Sadaski,Taylor(Jewish)(Polish)
Hull==Brown,Goldstein(Jewish)(Russian)

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Re: Poles and Russians !!!
« Reply #48 on: Saturday 04 April 09 20:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Val  ;D
Well done with your searching so far!!

Have you tried this site before?  It's part of the LDS collection and is a worldwide place-name search for all the places for which they hold films.  If you find what you're searching for you can order the film to your local biggish LDS centre and view the records.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitysearch&columns=*,0,0

If you put "Kovno" in the Place box and click Search, and then keep going, you will come to a Topic list that includes Jewish records.

I couldn't see Zaga or Zhager listed, but it may have come under a bigger village.

Even if you don't find a film for this particular place, it is a useful site; I've found records of my Polish ancestors using this site.

Kind regards
Gaie
Sussex, Burwash/Somerset/South London: PANKHURST/FABLING/GREEN/KING/PARROT/POPE/PEMBROKE
Notts/Leics/London: POLLARD/BELAND/FELLS/MORRISON/MARYSON/CLARKE
Northants: MARRIOT/T
Suffolk: LINGLY/LINGLEY/LINDLY/LINDLEY/ SEAGER /SIGGER/SEGGAR/VINCE
Gloucs: WINDOW Glamorgan: JENKINS Cardiganshire: JONES
Poland: OZIEMKIEWICZ France: LINETTE


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Re: Poles and Russians !!!
« Reply #49 on: Saturday 04 April 09 22:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Gaie,
Thanks but I cannot get it to work.
Val
Norfolk==Green, Fuller,Nelson,Allen
Staffs==Fradley,Burditt,Ward,Wood
Leicester==Hubbard,Ward,Warner,Dale.Bailey
Leicester==Royce, Cank, Shenton
Leeds=Halliday,Brooke,Woodhead
Birkenhead==Sadaski,Taylor(Jewish)(Polish)
Hull==Brown,Goldstein(Jewish)(Russian)

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Re: Poles and Russians !!!
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 05 April 09 07:23 BST (UK) »
Hmm,  :-\, the site seems to be having problems at the moment, sometimes it displays a page, sometimes it doesn't  ???.  But the link does work!

Try this:  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0600/

That should take you to the film notes pages (there are 375 film notes listed for Kaunas metrical books).

Kind regards
Gaie
Sussex, Burwash/Somerset/South London: PANKHURST/FABLING/GREEN/KING/PARROT/POPE/PEMBROKE
Notts/Leics/London: POLLARD/BELAND/FELLS/MORRISON/MARYSON/CLARKE
Northants: MARRIOT/T
Suffolk: LINGLY/LINGLEY/LINDLY/LINDLEY/ SEAGER /SIGGER/SEGGAR/VINCE
Gloucs: WINDOW Glamorgan: JENKINS Cardiganshire: JONES
Poland: OZIEMKIEWICZ France: LINETTE

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Re: Poles and Russians !!!
« Reply #51 on: Monday 06 April 09 12:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Val and Gaie,
Sorry for ignoring you over the weekend - it was my son's eighteenth birthday, and we had visitors.
Val, that is wonderful news - so now you can move on to the next step :)
I couldn't get the LDS link to work either, but I know there have been problems recently.
However, I've just found this link with regard to the Jewish cmeteries (Old and New), and this might be of interest to you, Val:
http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/e-europe/lith-S-Z.html
Still looking for other sites.
Hope you both have a good day.
Paulene :)

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Re: Poles and Russians !!!
« Reply #52 on: Monday 06 April 09 12:47 BST (UK) »
Hello Val,

I thought the others might be interested, so here's the text of my PM to you.

I've done some further investigating for you.

The ancestral town is today called Zagare, and is located on Lithuania's northern border to Latvia.

Zhagare (as it was called in Russian) was on the northern border of the Kovno gubernia (in the Shavli district).

This link shows you where it is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~shtetm~-2620841

Nowadays, the Jews of Zagare are referred to as Lithuanian Jews (Litvaks) as a genealogical distinction. In the 19th century, they were simply Jews living in the Russian Pale of Settlement.

Unfortunately, our friends the Mormons have not microfilmed any of the Jewish records from Zagare, which was quite a sizeable town with a few factories. Records may be held in the Lithuanian State Historical Archives, but they would be in Russian and Hebrew/Yiddish - a bit of a challenge.

To really find out the status and availability of vital records you should join the Litvak Special Interest Group (SIG) on jewishgen.

http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/

I'm guessing that the surname was originally Sadoksky or Shadovsky, but I could be wrong. The name Sadaski does not appear anywhere.

Michael's father's name was Lipman, without the 'o'. Can you post a snippet to rootschat showing both his parent's names; you may have misread his mother's name.


Regards,

Justin

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Re: Poles and Russians !!!
« Reply #53 on: Monday 06 April 09 12:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Val,
Hope this works:
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~allcountry2
Paulene :)

ADDED:
Sorry - it doesn't work - so try this, and put 'sadaski' in the surname box, and then select kovno gubernia as the region.
Hopefully a good list of search results will come up.
Fingers crossed!
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/