Honestly, I'm not sure. What was passed on the Ashby side was Thomas Williams born Feb.1833 England.I did find someone who said that Thomas & Hannah's first daughter Mary Hannah Williams born 1860 was born in St. Marylebone, London, England, but in family reunions & census records it was always said Mary Hannah Williams was born in Wisconsin about 1 1/2 years or 2 years after they were married.So I'm not sure. Do know the Hannah Ashby was baptized from St. Deny's Church in Rotherfield, Sussex, England.