Burials - Abinger

[Scott62]

John Stedman, wife Sarah, children Sarah 4yrs, Benjamin 2 yrs and twins William and Mary aged 6weeks were removed to Abinger parish on 17/8/1822.

I assume they were put in the Abinger Workhouse- no trace since.

John would have been 36 and Sarah 34 at this time.

Can you please find any burials for this family in the area.

I appreciate any help you can give

Regards
Scott

[Jane Masri]

Hi Scott,
There's only this John Stedman buried in Abinger, no day or month 1857 age 76, which gives him a DOB of about 1781 whilst yours appears to have been born around 1786.  No sign of Sarah or children.  Have you found the family on the 1841 census?  Where were they removed from?
I don't think Abinger had a workhouse, the nearest would have been Dorking & they wouldn't have necessarily have been put in a workhouse, merely returned to their parish (Abinger) because they might be a burden on the parish they had decided to go to, probably looking for work,

jane

[Scott62]

Dear Jane

Thank you so much for the reply and promptly.

I have searched the 1841 census and can't find them.

They were removed from Ewhurst.

Any other advice you can give.

Regards
Scott

[Jane Masri]

Hi Scott,
I spent some time digging around yesterday unfortunately not with much luck 
If I may ask you, how did you get the ages for  John & Sarah, from the removal order?

IGI has only recorded baptism's for Sarah 26/6/1818 at Dorking & Benjamin 1/10/1820, Abinger.  No evidence of the twins you talk about, William & Mary 1822.
I found two likely marriages for John & Sarah;
1.  John Stedman to Sarah Longhurst 17/10/1810, Ewhurst
2.             ditto     to Sarah Chandler  7/6/1817, Capel.  I checked on the pr transcipt I have & this Sarah was a widow.

Now, in 1851 at Abinger ( HO 107/1598/29/15) I found a John Stedman, ag lab, age 69, born Abinger, lodging with;

John LONGHURST  36  ag lab  b. Abinger
Hannah                 34              b. Ockley
Harriet                  19              b. Abinger
David?                   10                    ditto
Jane?                      5                    ditto
George                   3                    ditto

It's not clear on the image if this John Stedman is unmarried or widowed, my guess says it's unmarried but that could be a mis-understanding when they gave the information.

It looks like this Sarah LONGHURST (who married John Stedman in 1810) was baptised 19/5/1787, Ewhurst d/o Walter & Mary.
This John Stedman (in the 1851 census) was baptised 5/8/1814, Abinger s/o William & Sarah.
The connections with Longhurst, Abinger & Ewhurst all seem to point in the right direction.
We have a LONGHURST researcher on the board, Dawn our moderator so she might be able to add some more to this.

jane

[Scott62]

Dear Jane

Thank so much for all your efforts - much appreciated.

I can confirm that John and Sarah (nee Longhurst) are mine - On the Ewhurst Baptisms of 1810 James Stedman( My 2xgreatgrandfather) was baptised 28/10/1810 - an entry on the page indicates the marriage of John and Sarah 17/10/1810.

I believe but haven't proved Sarah was the daughter of Lydia Longhurst
Sarah was baptised 11/5/1788 at Ewhurst, daughter of Lydia. Lydia Longhurst was a witness at John and Sarah's marriage.

There was a Lydia (not a common name) Longhurst baptised at Ewhurst 20/8/1766 to James and Elizabeth Longhurst. Maybe your Dawn can throw some light onto this family.

To answer your question about ages on the Removal Order - I used the dates of Baptism - John baptised 1786 at Cranleigh (Surrey History Centre research) and Sarah as above.

I also have evidence of John an inmate at Poor House at time of Benjamin's Baptism at Abinger.

I also found that John Stedman living at Abinger with the Longhurst family in 1851. I read it as a widow age 69 - This ties in with the John Stedman being buried at Abinger aged 76 in 1857. This also ties in with a Sarah Stedman being buried in the district of Dorking in 1852. Making John a widow.

I am sorry if I have confused matters but appreciate very much your help. I live in Australia and don't have access to the many resources you have. I have ordered the death certificates for John and Sarah.

Thanks again for all your help thus far.

Regard
Scott

[Jane Masri]

Hi Scott,
Where is your information about a death for Sarah Stedman, 1852 from?  I ask as it's not on my Surrey burial index nor on FreeBMD.  By rights she should be on the 1851 census, have you found her as I don't remember seeing her 
I will PM Dawn & draw her attention to this Longhurst family,

jane

[dawnsh]

Hi Scott    Hi Jane 

There are many Longhurst families in this part of Surrey, most are related somewhere way back in time.

I will give this my attention tomorrow evening after work. I need to get my files out and see what I have.

Regards

Dawn

[Scott62]

Dear Jane and Dawn

Thank you so much for all your efforts.

I look forward to hearing from you again when you have time.

Regards

Scott

[dawnsh]

Hi Scott

I'm still going through stuff.

In the meantime, have you found James Stedman bp 1810 on the 1841 or 1851 census? if so please can you let me know.

Thanks

Dawn