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« Reply #27 on: Saturday 19 June 10 15:48 BST (UK) »
I would agree that to have 3 names and them all be in the right order is definately a plus.  I thought the same thing about her job being very"modern" but you may well be right that once she couldn't be in service she did the cleaning instead!!

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« Reply #28 on: Sunday 20 June 10 04:22 BST (UK) »
I am sure that Frederick was the ONLY Haedicke in London at that time.
Haedicke and Lipski's Contract 1901 is often sited as a case relevent to
the re-appraisal of Land/property Sale Contracts. Something to do with necessary
disclosures about encumbrances to the buyer. Also I think he would still be a
foreigner living in UK statuswise.
The Camden Road address mentioned previously is in a row of shops nowadays.

Also anecdotally the area where CRW was birth registered was smack bang central
to the Jack the Ripper murders in Autumn 1888. . .  .

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« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 22 June 10 21:21 BST (UK) »
I went to the Principal Probate registry ay Holborn and checked both Frederick Haedicke & Haedocke from 1916 - 1920 but there were no entries.

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« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 23 June 10 06:13 BST (UK) »
OK
CRW birthday confirmed 17th February 1888 died 16th March 1963 (greenwich rego area)
married Johanna Kurten on 7th August 1914 (marylebone)
after his exams to the Supreme court finalised.
(Johanna's father was dead by then- name-William Gustave Kurten) lived 29 Edward St central london

18 Aubrey House (Maida Hill West) was the solicitors office CRW had a phone there number3256
subsequently Lived at 45 Boxtree Road Harrow Weald Middlesex and between 1938-1940 at 774 Kenton lane Harrow Weald
(Frederick T Haedicke also had phone at 72 Abbey Road St Johns Wood no 1759  in 1908.)

When CRW died they were living at Woodstock in Hurst Road Bexley. I remember this house with a big gated driveway and wooded gardens. A new estate called Woodstock Close is there now.
JFB moved to a council flat in Plumstead after that, very much in reduced circumstances.
My mother hinted that there had been a scandal that came to light on the death of CRW, but to be honest there was no love lost between my mum and JFB . . so I took that with a pinch of salt.

My brother is sending me a CD of family pictures that Jan might like a copy of. Her mother was very beautiful.

Looks like the c was mistaken for an o in death rego.

?????Do we know how old Frederick T was when he died.


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« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 23 June 10 15:44 BST (UK) »
freebmd.rootsweb.com shows him as aged 64 in 1916 (search with surname Haedocke).

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ shows an 1882 entry for Haedicke and Bauer, 23 Milk Street EC and then a 1901 mention of Haedicke, Frederick at Norfolk Villa, Shoot-up Hill, Kilburn.


Also if suziq or anybody who has a copy of the birth certificate could confirm:
Are both the location of birth and the address of the person who registered the birth (probably "Alice"), the same?
Is Alice definitely the informant?
(if yes to both then that was probably her residence and it would be worth checking who is living there in 1891, at least to see what the character of the place was like at the time although she's probably moved on).
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« Reply #32 on: Thursday 24 June 10 17:05 BST (UK) »
Hion his birth cert
CWR Collins was born at 28 Lower Chapman Street 17th February 1888
The informant was Alice Collins of 28 Lower Chapman Street and was registered 3rd April 1888.  I have just noticed that  he is Charles William Richard!!!!
The address wasn't registered in 1881 and in 1891 Alice wasn't there!!!!

The marriage was witnessed by Alexia (?) Louise Kurten and Rudolph Kurten

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« Reply #33 on: Thursday 24 June 10 17:18 BST (UK) »
it's not Alexia it's Alma and Rudolph and Alma are Johanna's brother and sister!
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« Reply #34 on: Friday 25 June 10 02:29 BST (UK) »
REF birth registration. This was about a fortnight after CRWC's birth.
I am thinking that Chapman Street (now Tower Hamlets) was probably
"Alice's" parents address. The name on the slip of paper we have is deffo Rosa.
Friedrich and Fanny were still foreigners in the UK and may have done it this way
to ensure CWRC's UK status or some other legal reason. Who knows, in the census it states
he was born in Finchley. They seemed to move a lot??


This part is TOTALLY left field speculation.
I have always wondered why Friedrich immigrated to London.
This is a tiny snippet to base a theory on but Johanna's parents came from
Sonderburg, which is now in Germany after a plebiscite in 1856.
Formerly it was Denmark.
I have been reading that a lot of former Danish young men were reluctant
to be called up to fight for Germany and either deserted, went AWOL or emigrated (usually USA).
This would explain why (the Kurten's my great grand-people) came to London. (kinda)
Johanna's dad was a waiter in a central London Hotel. (census)
There seems a slight "class" disparity between CWRC and JFBK ???? ??? ???
and I am wondering if their families knew each other back in Schleswig Holstein.
Once again very speculative. There is a Haedicke hot spot near Halle, and I think they were
canal builders and mechanical engineers. I have found another Haedicke hotspot
in a very unlikely place. Kittisford in Somerset. They were not residents but outsourced to build a stretch of Taunton/Exeter canal through a private estate. Several children were born
and "recorded" in the estate church. All the names tie up with subsequent Halle Haedicke registrations in Germany. But NO Friedrich T 1852c.
Stay with me here.
The Kiel Canal runs across Schleswig Holstein and was a huge prolonged undertaking over a long period while it was both Denmark and Germany and it is not too much of stretch to think some of the Halle Canallers were employed on that project. H Haedicke was a bigwheel in Steam Engines and in one of the census Fanny brother is in England studying Railway Engineering. . . very tentative

***** Another snippet from my pa which I have followed up and got precisely nowhere, was that
Friedrich was a man of private means, because there was a connection to a lead pencil company, possibly by marriage to Fanny (Francis?) Merseburg.

******** Anecdotally, I have found with other part of my family tree, that quite often these family stories have a basis of truth, but have been assigned to a wrong person or time.

Any way thanks.

We have contacted Alma's (Big Aunty) daughter and her son Christopher who both now live in Norfolk.
They don't know what happened to Rudolph, although I met him once when little. 1950. He was fun.

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« Reply #35 on: Saturday 26 June 10 21:03 BST (UK) »
Hi
I'm sure Jan would love to see the photos, her mum wouldn't speak of the family which does give some leverage to the scandal theory, but we'll probably never know now!!!!!!

Look forward to hearing from you
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