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Re: Adoption - Haedicke
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 10 June 10 05:15 BST (UK) »
I can tell you about this "adoption" as this was my grandfather.
I would be fascinated to know who you are researching it for.

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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 10 June 10 13:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Jean

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

Suziq hasn't been online here since Feb 2010. As long as she hasn't turned off notifications or changed her email adrress, she should be notified we have made replies on her topic. Hopefully she'll come back soon.

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Re: Adoption - Haedicke
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 10 June 10 18:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Jean
Thank you so much for replying to me, I am doing the research for a friends mum, her name is Jan White nee Brooke.  Jan's mother is Kathleen Marjorie Collins Haedicke who's father was Charles Richard William Haedicke.
We all would love to know the story and maybe I can put you in touch if you wanted to directly speak.
Looking forward to hearing from you!
If you prefer you can do private messaging

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Re: Adoption - Haedicke
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 10 June 10 20:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Suziq

Thanks for your reply.

Hi Jean

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Re: Adoption - Haedicke
« Reply #13 on: Friday 11 June 10 01:03 BST (UK) »
There are very few Haedickes in the UK so I knew it must be someone I was aware of!
I investigated this when my brother Paul "Doughnut" Haedicke died in 1998.
My other brother David "Gunko" Haedicke sucked out as much information as is he could
from the aged parents, but I have not managed to find out where Frederick Haedicke
and Fanny/Jenny nee Merseberg came from in Germany. Although there is geographically
a hot spot around Halle.**see note below Fritz/Frederick is like Dick/Richard. Fanny maybe the same thing for Francis. These guys all had millions of names.
My dad Kathleen's brother Douglas (deceased 2002) said that F&F spoke German at home
and lived in Abbey Road London fairly opulently (was one of the first people in central London to have a phone and always had servants. Another distant relative thought they had a sweet shop
in Bond Street but I cant confirm that.
What I CAN tell you for definite is that CRW's birth-mother was Rosa Collins a young (in teens) servant from Essex and I am pretty sure that she appears on one of the censuses. (Not confirmed but Dad thought she was Irish.) Jenny had no live births and Dad said she wore a wig, which indicates a degree of bad health in the ladyparts area. There is one very small piece of lined paper stating she gave the baby up in 1888. Though technically he was the bastard son not adopted. Frederick treated him as a bona fide son anyhow. CRW attended St Paul's School and studied at the bar, and had his own telephone number at his solicitors office by 1918. CRW only become aware of this when his father died.(?date) This does not sit well with the Bankruptcy mentioned above.
Maybe it was just the business that went down the pan in 1906.
CRW and Johanna Frieda Bertha Kurten married in 1914. (I have some info on the Kurtens)

** I have found another Haedicke in Bohemia, where Dr. Haedicke had a sanatorium. There was quite an artist colony in the summer season, in the 19th Century. This town has been part of Czechovslakia, Germany and Poland at different times making investigation difficult.  (Now a Polish Ski Resort).

**I have found some Haedicke's who took up temporary residence in Somerset in the first part of the 19th Century who were outsourced to build a stretch of the Taunton Canal that ran through Kittisford and several children were born and registered at the estate church. It appears when their section of canal was finished they returned to Germany around Halle area.

** Haedicke is the Anglicised version. In Germany spelt Hadicke with an omlaut over the A., but I don't know how to do it on my keyboard.

OK? I am actually in Australia at the moment, but my brother David is in England for a few weeks and has a tin box with some hereditary stuff in it.

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Re: Adoption - Haedicke
« Reply #14 on: Friday 11 June 10 07:44 BST (UK) »
Hi

I wonder whether this is "William's" birth registration?

Birth Jun qtr 1888

Charles William R COLLINS

St George in the East 1c 351


Anna

ETA: This wouldn't be consistent with a Finchley birth (per 1891 census) so it may be back to the drawing-board.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Adoption - Haedicke
« Reply #15 on: Friday 11 June 10 08:06 BST (UK) »
Looks like it could well be.
Registered by the birth mum.??
Stunning work Anna

However thinking about this a bit more, how sad is this?
The Church is in Wapping which was Essex.
Wikipedia says St Georges was the office of The Poor Law in the area.
I don't know if CRWC had ever tried to make contact with Rosa.

I hope the poor girl was looked after by F&F .  . .


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Re: Adoption - Haedicke
« Reply #16 on: Friday 11 June 10 08:35 BST (UK) »
Thank you soooo much for all of that, it has confirmed my suspicions that Collins may have been the birth name as he gave it to all the children!!!!  I will let Jan have that info but I wonder why her mum wouldn't speak about her family, maybe just being German at that time???????????
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Re: Adoption - Haedicke
« Reply #17 on: Friday 11 June 10 09:23 BST (UK) »
Kathleens mum might not of known anything about it, of course.
She herself was born in England, she always claimed to be of Danish extraction anyway to me,
when she lived with us in Bexleyheath for a while when I was about 15/16.
Kathleen's mum also told me her name was Gwendolene.!!! :o