Sarge Birth/Death records in Ontario

[Lisa in California]

May I ask, please for two lookups:
Stephen Alfred Robert Sarge, born York, Ontario
Father: Henry Thomas Sarge
Looking for any additional information about this entry, found in Ontario, Canada Births and

Unnamed Premature Male Savage [Sarge]
Death: 1916, Simcoe
Ontario, Canada deaths
Looking for any additional information.
Thank you.

[Jacquie in Canada]

Stephen Alfred Sarge (the names Alfred Robert are printed above Stephen Alfred) was born 26 Dec 1897 to Henry Thomas Sarge, pattern maker, and Lydia L. Furnival in Toronto. The informant was L.L. Sarge, 134 Symington.

There are six other children for this couple listed in the Ontario births database:

unnamed male Sarge born 7 Mar 1879 in Toronto
unnamed female Sarge born 14 Sep 1880 in Toronto
Alice ? Mary Sarge born 31 Jan 1882
unnamed male Sarge born 7 May 1885 in Toronto
Louise Grace Sarge born 23 Jul 1886 in Toronto
Gertrude Sophia Sarge born 18 Dec 1890 in Toronto

On some of the birth registrations the father is listed as Henry Thomas Sarge while on others he is listed as Thomas Henry Sarge. Except for the one birth for Stephen Alfred Sarge, his occupation is listed as either wood worker or wood turner. The mother is listed as Lydia Furnival with some registrations having her middle name listed as Louise/Louisa and one with just the initial "L".

Based on the 1901 census, it appears the unnamed boy born in 1879 was John H. Sarge and the unnamed girl was Fanny. It also looks like Alice may have also been called Charlotte. There wasn't a son born in 1885 listed with the family on that census. Here's a link to a free census site that has links to the images of the 1901 and 1911 census:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/index.html

The death registration for Unname Premature Male Savage (and it clearly says Savage, not Sarge for a surname) has parents listed as Leonard Savage and Lottie Twinnell. Sadly, this couple had two other children die as babies.

Henry Thomas Sarge died 7 Jan 1922 in Toronto. The boxes for his parents' names are blank. Lydia Louise Sarge died 6 Jun 1925 in Toronto. Her father was George Furnival but the box for her mother's name was blank.

Jacquie

[Lisa in California]

Jacquie:

Thank you very much for the time and effort you put into this!  Gertrude Sophia was my grandmother.

I had never seen the Symington address.

I was told there were two (separate) boys, one named Robert, the other Alfred.  Besides the census, the birth record now confirms it was just one child.  I also had not heard the name Stephen mentioned.

I've not been able to find out Louise/Louisa's real spelling.  It varies on each document that I've found.  It's not surprising the documents you found also vary.

That family did use middle names a lot, I was never told why.  At least two of the children (not including Stephen Alfred Robert) had two middle names.

It is sad about the Savage family.  Hopefully, they did have children who made it through childhood.  I was told by family members that Lydia and Henry had one stillborn birth, but perhaps the baby lived for a short time and he's the one from 1885.

Supposedly, Henry Thomas' father fled France with his family during a revolution.  His first wife and two children were killed on their way to England.  "John" remarried (at some point) in England and had several children, Henry Thomas being one of them.

Thank you again so much for everything!

PS  I was just rereading your information again...
Supposedly, Lydia and Henry also had two other children: Charlotte Georgina and Harriette Stanlie.  Alice's middle names were Maude Mary and I believe she was known as Maude.

[Jacquie in Canada]

Supposedly, Lydia and Henry also had two other children: Charlotte Georgina and Harriette Stanlie.  Alice's middle names were Maude Mary and I believe she was known as Maude.

I've now found a birth for Charlotte Georgina Sarge who was born 16 Jan 1884 in Toronto.

On the 1901 census the children are listed as follows:

• John H. born 7 Mar 1879 which matches the first unnamed male
• Fanny born 14 Sep 1880 which matches the unnamed female
• Charlotte born 16 Jan 1883 which is one year out from the birth registration but that isn't unusual on the census
• Gracie born 23 Jul 1886 which matches Louise Grace
• Harriet born 7 Sep 1888 whose birth registration I can't find
• Sophia born 18 Dec 1890 which matches Gertrude
• Alfred born 26 Dec 1897 which matches Alfred

I did find a Maude A. Sarge born 31 Jan 1883 working as a domestic servant in the household of Edward and Agnes Borland. Again it isn't usual for the year to be out like that.

The birth registration for the son born in 1885 doesn't indicate he was stillborn and I can't find a death registration for him but since he isn't with the family on the 1891 or 1901 it would appear he died young.

Jacquie

[kooran]

In case you haven't seen it, there are 3 listings for Sarge on the Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid in Wentworth County, Ontario:  L. Grace, Robert W. and Annie Boston.  Follow the link and enter the surname.

www.islandnet.com/ocfa/search.php

[kooran]

The Robert W. was born abt 1866, England and was married to Annie Boston.

I just noticed that Grace married William Henry Collins.  Both are buried in the same cemetery with the same reference number.

[Lisa in California]

Jacquie:  Thank you very much for your help with all of the Sarge siblings.  I believe I only have two "older" Sarge descendants left; I will contact my aunt and see if she knows anything about the son born in 1885.  I am quite curious now.

Kooran:  I've been researching my ancestors for many, many years.  I haven't spent too much time on this branch, as I have my "favourite" branches that I look for.  After all of the time researching, one would think I've got it all figured out.  It wasn't until I read your post about Robert W.'s birth in England in 1866 that I realized Robert W. could be Henry Thomas' brother!  (Henry T. had at least one brother, named Robert.)  All this time I didn't pay attention to the name, just thinking he was one of Henry Thomas' sons.  I will have to check this out further.  There's a chance that I might find living relatives on his side.

Thank you both so much for your help.  As you can imagine, it is very difficult researching from California when all of my family is/was Canadian, English and Irish.

[Jacquie in Canada]

Lisa, I sent a PM to you the other day. I know you're a fairly new member so I'm not sure if you've noticed it.

Jacquie

[Lisa in California]

Hi Jacquie:

Thank you for the message advising of the pm; I am new and I am still getting used to the site.  However, I saw the pm last night but only had time to post a reply on this thread, before I had to turn off the computer (unexpectedly).

I'm here now because I couldn't sleep and I wanted to reply to the pm, as well as check other threads.  Thank you for everything.