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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #54 on: Friday 07 August 09 20:13 BST (UK) »
Don't want to be alarmist but has anyone managed to get onto either of the sites flagged up. My machine doesn't like them at all.
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« Reply #55 on: Friday 07 August 09 20:27 BST (UK) »
Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days alive.

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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #56 on: Saturday 08 August 09 01:05 BST (UK) »
Hi all. I have tried to send the maps and they are too big a file to send, I will try to reduce the size tomorrow.  Soz, Morskaj.


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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #57 on: Saturday 08 August 09 16:29 BST (UK) »
Hi

I tried the link with .co.uk instead of .com as Goeff suggested and it worked fine.  Fascinating thank you, and certainly gave an interesting background to Water Gate Lane and what the area was like before the railway.

Thank you again morslaj and thank you Goeff for thehelp getting it to work.

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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 12 August 09 12:39 BST (UK) »
Hi,  I have tried to send those maps but I keep getting the message that they are too big.  Any ideas?  By the way, the one with Water Street and Water Gate Lane on has been mentioned before.  The Wood's map of 1821.  If you look at Botchergate, which is called Botchard Gate at this time, Water Street is at the Court Square end at right angles to Botchergate.  It goes across where the railway station is now and then curves down and changes into Water Gate Lane.  What is called Water Street today is probably as near as dammit on the site of Water Gate Lane then. 
Anyway, if anyone knows how to reduce the size of the maps let me know or if anyone wants them sent to their e-mail address, let me know.  We could always be cheeky and use a secure site like GenesReunited to swap e-mails!!!  See you, Morskaj.
Oh by the way, that street that was mentioned, was it the B5299?  is still John Street now, but in the past there were two sides to it, the side that was knocked down is now known as 'Paddy's market car park'.

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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #59 on: Thursday 13 August 09 01:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Morskaj

Were you trying to post these?  You have too get the file small enough to satisfy the Rootschat rules and the dimensions to fit reasonably on the page.

If you email it to someone, I'm sure they'll put it up for you.  I would, buit it's more satisfying to do it yourself.  Feel free to ask.  You can exchange emails off board via the personal messaging system. (pm).  Button to the left of some one's post opens a message to them.

If you open it in imaging software, you can use "File", from the top tool bar, then "Save for web" from the drop down menu.

Okay the next bit, and then tell it where to save it.  I use the Desktop temporarily for things like this.

If it is going to shoot off the page you can use "Edit", "Change Size" or somilAar, and pick a size that looks appropriate.

Then just what you sound as if you were doing. (Post Reply", then "Insert image" or similar.

Exact detail will vary depending on the program and the version.

By the way' yes, I've a copy of parts of Woods, it was the other map I hadn't seen.

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Emms
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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #60 on: Thursday 08 October 09 09:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Emms,
I researching my ancestors who were weavers the 1841 census show they lived in Water St. Could you give me an insight into their living conditions.
Thanks ronnynel

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« Reply #61 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 03:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Ronnynel, There is a 'History of Duke Street' that I can quote from to give you an idea of how weavers lived and worked in the City of Carlisle at that time.  Handloom weavers engaged themselves with one or other of the big manufacturers, who supplied them with yarn newly-spun in the firm's mills to be woven by weavers in their own home.  Buyers insisted on 42-43 yard lengths, known as 'cuts' for gingham and 60 yards for 'Union Stripe'.  It took a good weaver about a week to weave a 'cut' working 14-16 hours a day for six days if not seven.  It had to be done by Saturday or he was not paid.  By Thursday many could be behind schedule and they would work into the night, it was said of Duke Street, you could walk through it any time of day or night and you would hear the shuttles working.  All this on poor food in ill-lit, stuffy or draughty, noisy low rooms, small, damp, cheaply and badly built, crammed with four to six looms, lit by candles, heated by coal fires.  From 1837/8 Messrs. Dixon issued tickets for payment of '1" 0d extra if work approved', but often it was not approved and the shilling was lost'.  (This practise was much resented).  In 1805 a weaver was paid 28s 0d for a length of gingham, in 1812 this had fallen to 11s 6d.  Average pay at Fergusons was 18s 2d. Out of this the weaver had to pay loom rent of 1s, weft winding of 1s 8d,  beaming, twisting, pickers,oil 6d, coal and candle 4d, house rent 1s 6d, total 6s 6d.  The average family was 6-8 person's, generally living in one room.
In 1848 a report was done by Dr. Henry Lonsdale for the Carlisle Sanitary Association, to jolt the corporation into action.  (The report then covers Shaddongate but the conditions everywhere were about the same).  Houses let to several familes, one room each, windows wold not open properly.  The properties were back-to-back, privies were rare.  In all Carlisle there were only 20 baths and 49 w.c.s. supplied by the Carlisle Water Company.  Most streets had stand pipes for water at which there were long queues and the water was kept in buckets in properties until used.  Carlisle was plagued by 'damp fogs' which rose from marshy places, gathering grounds for filth and diseases. 
Usually what weavers did, was dig down on the ground floor to a depth of about a foot or 18 inches, this made the room damp, which would prevent the threads on the looms from snapping.  The families lived on the first floor, one family to one room.  If you go to www.familysearch.org, and look up William Keddy, look for the one in Duke Street Carlisle, and see how many different familes were living in one house!! (Go to 'household' and then if you click on next/previous households you will see there are lots of families and lodgers in each property).  Next time I am in the library I will look up the sanitation report for Water Street, though I don't think it will be all that different from Duke Street, but I will let you know.  Better go it's late, (as usual),  See you, Morskaj.

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Re: Memories of the lanes
« Reply #62 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 22:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Ronnynel

Sorry I'm only just getting back, I've not been on much this week.  I can pon;ly concur with what Morskaj has said except that I wouldn't have had the fantastic data to hand.

Put it this way, though, I certainly wouldn't expect Water St to be any better than Duke St. 

I've not really used the sanitary reports, but I've done a study and used the planning (permission?) reports for the next couple of streets out of town to Duke St and in late 19C most of those still did not have bathrooms and they would have been newer than Duke St or Water St.  Water seems a real mix of ancient housing and businesses including manufacturing units.

Like Morkaj, though, when I get in again I'll see if anything exists in these reports for Water St.  They might start too late though, apart from odd bits of modernisation.

Best wishes

Emms
Hoey : Louth, Dublin, Lancashire,
Diggle: Pendleton Lancashire,
Stickley: Dorset, Lancashire
Bockmann, Boedemann etc Artist, Europe and London

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1st Battalion Connaught rangers WW1

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