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Boxing Photo - help?
« on: Saturday 21 March 09 21:01 GMT (UK) »
Hello

I know this is a bit of a strange one and I should probably post this in the photograph section but I think I may get more success in this forum.
This is a photo I found among the various photos of my ancestors. I don't recognise anyone in the photo but I don't know what a lot of my relatives look like.
It seems to be taken in a studio which is a bit odd, I have no idea of the date but it seems more like a early 1900s photo than and mid-to-late 1800s photo (but I could be completely wrong).

I thought perhaps people who knew something about bare knuckle boxing might know something. Of course they might just be mucking about - their clothing certainly doesn't look too professional. It would be even better to be able to connect it to my Romany ancestors.
I have no idea why we would have this photo if they weren't relatives.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. :)
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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Re: Boxing Photo - help?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 March 09 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Have you thought of sending it to the local paper, in the area you think it's from?  Someone may recognise one of the men as a father/grandfather.
Casaubon (Geneva, London), Daulinge, Berners, McMullen (Nottingham), Tabb (Leics), Mycock (Derbys & Staffs), Gilbert (Notts), Price (s Wales), Krilovs/similar, gypsy Roberts, gypsy Clark, Bexell (Sussex), gypsy Elliott, Raven, Neligan (Co Kerry), Rymer, Newton (Hull).

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Re: Boxing Photo - help?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 March 09 20:05 GMT (UK) »
Have you thought of sending it to the local paper, in the area you think it's from?  Someone may recognise one of the men as a father/grandfather.

I could do but I have no blimming idea where it is from, not even from which side of the family.  :(
They don't look like my family at all on any side so can't even deduce from that.
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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Re: Boxing Photo - help?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 March 09 20:26 GMT (UK) »
Ok lol.  Just noticed you have Munday/Mondays.  So has my husband, do you have a William Munday/Monday/Mundy who married Temperence Harding in Northants?
Casaubon (Geneva, London), Daulinge, Berners, McMullen (Nottingham), Tabb (Leics), Mycock (Derbys & Staffs), Gilbert (Notts), Price (s Wales), Krilovs/similar, gypsy Roberts, gypsy Clark, Bexell (Sussex), gypsy Elliott, Raven, Neligan (Co Kerry), Rymer, Newton (Hull).


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Re: Boxing Photo - help?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 March 09 14:43 GMT (UK) »
Ok lol.  Just noticed you have Munday/Mondays.  So has my husband, do you have a William Munday/Monday/Mundy who married Temperence Harding in Northants?

My Mundays are originally from Somerset, moved to Westminster in the 1850s I think. I'm sure there is a William...my gggg grandad's brother was called William but I think he married a Mary Ann. He was a chair caner I believe. I assume that isn't the right one.  :(

One more note on the picture - just discovered this morning that my ggg grandfather (who was a Jewish acrobat but who married a Romany girl - Amelia Georgiana Hunt) worked for Jem Mace. I have a book from the 1920s which shows the bookmakers he worked for and he has written in it "Jem Mace - Champion Pugilist of the World". :D
I know none of them are Jem himself but thought it might hold a clue.
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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Re: Boxing Photo - help?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 March 09 15:46 GMT (UK) »
the guy on the left looks a bit like Jem Mace I think? it might be worth you doing a google search on him, he certainly was a very famous pugilist. He was also related to Romanies by marriage. Born in 1831 at Beeston he was s/o William Mace & Ann Rudd. Williams brother was Barney Mace who married one Lurena Baker at Erpingham in 1838. This Lurena Baker also went by the alias of Heron, being daughter of Rachel Heron and John Heron. ( just to confuse the issue more, they also went by the alias of Brown).

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Re: Boxing Photo - help?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 27 April 09 19:09 BST (UK) »
Dear Honey-roma88,
I've been facinated to read some of your posts concerning the Romany origins of the Morgans of Corsley. I am related to them through Charlotte Ann Morgan (b. 1852 in Kensington) the daughter of William Morgan (b. 1819 in Corsley). Could you let me know how you know for certain that they were travellers? I'd be really interestes to hear. Thanks very much!
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Re: Boxing Photo - help?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 May 12 18:48 BST (UK) »
there is a fighter in my side of the smith family algar he was born in 1931 from ilford his last fight was against pete waterman brother dennis waterman hope it helps

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Re: Boxing Photo - help?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 11 May 12 22:05 BST (UK) »
Looking at this pic it looks more professionally taken and could be a well know gypsy fighter no relation but had a pic as all gypsy today support there own even if not related  they have a pic poster or book video ect, It would be worthwhile posting it on all gypsy romany traveller websites someone may recognise it..Plus there is the Traveller Times Website The could
put it on there loads would be able to veiw it ...................
Buckley Loveridge Upton Lee Harris Miller Wilson Foster Burnside Fury