1841 and 51 census Gateshead please

[Mum44]

There are birth and batisms on the IGI for Joseph and his siblings  -  children of Alexander Levi and Grace    

The baps were in St Nicholas Church,  Newcastle.

[salclem]

Thank you again,
  I will look at the IGI. As Joseph was baptised in a church and we think Alexander and Grace married in a church, it seems that Alexander was the last of the Jewish faith. We had always wondered where it died out. Hubby's family thought it was when they " moved down south!" Although as far as we can find they only moved from Northumberland and Durham to Yorkshire. Don't really think it qualifies as south!
     Many thanks for your help again,
                    Sally

[salclem]

Hello again mum44,
  Did you see Joseph's parents Alexander and Grace Levi in either census? I wonder what occupation Alexander had, can't seem to find his death certificate, but suppose it could easily have been before 1837. I'm sending for Joseph and Mary's marriage certificate so should find out more then. From what I've read about Jewish emigrants, very few settled in that area before the late 1800s, so Alexander was not part of a large exodus from Russia.
    Very best wishes,
           sally

[Mum44]

I did look for them earlier, but can't spot them - sorry   

[2zpool]

Sally,

There are some people who think anything below (south of) Darlington is a foreign country. 

Janis

[Polgara2312]

Hi there,

Alexander Levi and Grace Humphrey are part of my paternal family tree.  His son Joseph lived in Church Street and was a pipemaker between 1846 and 1878.  You state that you have been unable to find Alexanders death however I have noted that for the 1841 census there is a Grace Love listed as living in north shields/tynemouth which was where she originated.  I think the surname was transcribed incorrectly.   Alexand would appear to have died around 1835 I think.  My family were the Greenups and I have quite a bit of info on them as well as  Jospeh's family.  It would appear that A;lexander came from Russia but I have been unable to trace any info.  I do know that a number of Levis were living in and around the same area and were all bottle makers.

Let me know if I can help or if you have any further details.

[Genie24]

I am hoping to rekindle the interest in this post re the Levi/Levy family. Alexander Levi and Grace Humphrey were my husband's great x 3 grandparents. He descends from their son Alexander Munro Levi and Jane Atkinson. He recently had his DNA tested and have found a few cousin/DNA matches. One of them decends from Alexander Munro's brother John Levi born about 1808 and Ann Spoors. However, this cousin and I have  theory that John Levi was actually Grace Humphrey's illegitimate son John Humphrey born 15th Novemer 1807 but took on the Levi name. He was baptised at about a year old in 1808 and I can't find any evidence of a John Levi being born or baptised around the same time. It is possible if John Humphrey died and they Alexander and Grace named thier first child together the same name.
I am hoping that the very experienced people on here may be able to help or have any suggestions as to how we can prove our theory.

[patrexjax]

Hello Genie24! I read your "rekindle" posting and have some additional information for you. As you said, John Levi married Ann Spoors 25 Feb 1827 in Newcastle, NBL. What I find extremely interesting is that Ann's Father is Thomas Spoors chr 28 March 1779 at All Saints, Newcastle. In various records he has been described as a "bottle maker."  This certainly provides more grist for the mill, as we say! I have additional information on Ann's parentage and several generations further back they all seem to have been baptised and married in All Saints in Newcastle. Also, it does seem plausible to me also that John may have actually been born a Humphrey and his surname changed to Levi/Levy soon as after his Mother married.  Also, I don't know if you have seen it, but there is a tree on Wiki Tree which lists children for John and Ann; some of it seems incomplete, but may provide a few more clues for you. Sincerely, patrexjax

[Genie24]

Hello patrexjax,

Many thanks for taking the trouble to reply to  my post.

I haven't really delved any further into Ann Spoors parents and beyond, seeing as she is not my direct line.

I found the Wikitree tree that you spoke of and I am missing Mary Levi born about 1829 but have an extra two that this person doesn't have.

I manged to find some more detailed information from freereg2 in their baptims a few weeks ago. This is what I have:

John Hutchinson Spoors - baptised 6th May 1830 All Saints Newcastle. Father Bottlemaker. Abode Ballast Hills.
George Levi  - baptised 29th May 1831 All Saints. Father Glassmaker. Abode Mushroom.
Thomas Spoors Levi  - baptised 24th June 1832 Saint Nicholas. Father Bottlemaker. Abode Close.
Alexander born about 1835 Bill Quay. No baptism found yet.
Grace Dorothy born Dec Q 18387 Mother Spoors (GRO)
Benjamin Levi - no baptism found yet.
Joseph Levi - born Feb 1843 Bill Quay. His mother Ann Spoors died after giving birth to him on the 9th March 1843 and he died aged 13 months and was buried on the 17th January 1844. Abode Close.

My husband's cousin descends via the Thomas Spoors Levi and Sarah E Mc Leod Marriage.

I have checked to see if John Levi's death was registered under both the names Levi and Humphrey but it doesn't appear to be. This was the case with my great, great grandmother first illegitimate child. He took on his father's name when his mother married a year or so after his birth. Very similar really. It would be helpful if we could find a document with an exact date of birth for him but I don't think we have much chance of finding one.

Another clue, is that this cousin of my husband's doesn't appear to match some of the Levi DNA matches he has which would suggest that they only share the DNA passed down via the Humphreys?