1841 and 51 census Gateshead please

[salclem]

 Hello,
   Please can anyone look up our Jewish ancestor Joseph Levi in the 1841 and 1851 census please? We know he married Mary Pemberton in 1846 in Gateshead, and that by the 1881 census she was a widow. Their daughter Elizabeth Anne was born in 1871, when she married her name was anglicised to Leavey.
  Many thanks,
          Sally

[Mum44]

Hello Sally   

1851
HO107  P. 2402  Fol. 471  Pg. 7

Gateshead, Durham

LEVIE
Joseph  Head  M  30  Tobacco Pipe Maker  B.  Newcastle upon Tyne
Mary  Wife  M  26      B.  Durham, Gateshead
Margaret  Dau  4      B.      ~                ~
Mary  Dau  5 mths.    B.       ~              ~

     

[Mum44]

In 1841 he is living in the household of a Martha Blackburn  in Church Street, Gateshead.
No relationships are shown, Martha has 3 children and apparently a number of lodgers, among them :

Joseph Levy  15  Pipe Maker  Not born in county.

HO107.  P. 296/14  Fol. 14  Pg. 29

     
   

[Mum44]

1861
RG9  P. 3801  Fol.  19  Pg. 15

32 Church Street, Gateshead

LEVY
Joseph  Head  M  39  Pipemaker
Mary  Wife  M  38
Margaret  Dau  14
Mary  Dau  11
Elizabeth  Dau  4
Joseph  Son  1

all born Gateshead   

Look as if this Elizabeth died   

[Mum44]

Sally  -  I've hit a hiccup   

Is your family in 1881 living at 11 Canon Street, Gateshead ?

RG11.  P. 5036  Fol 119  Pg. 15

     

Elizabeth Dau age 9;  Mary Nornton and husband and children also there ?

[salclem]

 Thank you so much, it's great to see Joseph and his family here. Yes the address in Cannon Street is our family in 1881. I'm going to send for Joseph and Mary's marriage certificate to find more information. I would love to know which country Joseph's family came from, maybe his parents names will give a clue.
      Many thanks again for your time and help,
         Best wishes,
                Sally

[Mum44]

Sally  -  have you got the birth certificate for Elizabeth who was 9 in 1881 ?

The problem I hit was this:

The Elizabeth who was 4 in the 1861 census, and who I thought must have died since they subsequently had another daughter Elizabeth, as still there in 1871 :

1871
RG10.  P. 5056  Fol. 53  Pg. 9

Church Street, Gateshead

Mary Leve  Head  Wid  38  Hawker
Margaret  Dau  23
Mary  Dau  20  Pipe trimmer
Elizabeth  Dau  13  Factory Girl (tobacco)

all born Gateshead.

So Mary was already a Widow in 1871;  death reg for Joseph :

age 47  Gateshead  Q4. 1867  Vol. 10a.  Pg. 409

This is why I ask if you have the birth certificate for Elizabeth b. 1871

It does not seem that she was the daughter of Joseph and Mary, as you say in your first post

Elizabeth born 1858 went on to marry John Greenup in 1878, and in 1891 Mary is living with them:  do you want that record ?

There are two Levi grandchildren living there also, Ellen age 7 and James age 2,  together with daughter Margaret.

[salclem]

Thanks again for your help,
  I wonder if Elizabeth was Mary and Joseph's granddaughter? In the 1881 census she is 9, but Mary's older daughter Margaret was there, 33 and unmarried, along with daughter Mary now married and with 4 children, eldest is 6.
    Either daughter could be Elizabeth's real mother. Otherwise, Mary would have had her at the age of 49 and a widow as you say, also naming her after her sister! When I get her certificate maybe will find out.
  Also found information hubby had stowed away, Joseph's father was Alexander Levy from Russia who married Grace Humphrey in Durham 1809. Think they lived around the Newcastle and Bishopswearmouth area but don't know any more about them or what occupation Alexander had.
   Your help is really appreciated, thank you very much again,
                Best wishes,
                      Sally

[Mum44]

I think that is most probable   

As I said - there are two younger Levi grand-children in 1891, and I don't think they are young Josephs, since I believe he died Q1. 1863.  There is no age shown on that registration (they didnt start putting ages on til later in the 1860's)

As you say, either girl couldbe young Elizabeth's mother  -  although it would seem most likely that Margaret was the mother of Ellen and James 

I think getting her birth certificate is going to be essential