Cumberland to Lancashire via Potugal and Brazil - Carruthers & Co.

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Hi Rocio

Welcome to Rootschat!

Thank you for your exciting reply, and thank you for sending it on your first post.

I'm sorry I'm just getting back to you.  I've  been very tied up the last few weeks.  This is exciting for us as progress has been quite slow recently.

I'll look out what I have and get back to you.  If you have any more details or ideas where we can look I'd love to know.  We're trying to link in the sightings we have in England with the correct individuals in Btrazil and find out more about the time in Brazil.

I'd love to swap more details.

Thank you again.

Best wishes

Emms

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PS

By the way, how did you find my post?

Are you researching the interests in Brazil too?

Also, I'm fascinating by the marriage on the beach - especially in those days and it appearing on a marriage certificate.

By the way, did you have the certificate or did you find it on the web or in an archive?

Hop[e you don't mind me asking.

Thank you again.

Emms

[rocio]

Hello Emms, it is a pleasure for me to talk with you. I found you because this wonderful tool called Google exists. I just wrote Axel Rudolf Frick and your post appeared. As I told you he is my greatgrandfather. He was an engineer and vice consul of Sweden. He came to work for the British Company ''São Paulo Railway Company".
Ok, so, see what interesting thing...On the marriage certificate that listed the ceremony took place on the Praia do Russel...it means that belongs to Russel. Colonel John Frederick Russel, joint owner of The City of Santos Improvements Company Limited. The City, as it was called, received the concession from Brazilian Emperor to deploy gas lighting, water ans sewerage, railways and others etc etc. I believe that they all were friends...Carruthers, Russel, Frick. By the way, you understand portuguese? There is an immense source of information about these companies. If you need some help tell me.

By the way, what is your real interest in this history? Are you from UK? Are you from Carruthers family? I am from São Paulo - Brazil.

About the certificate of marriage it is original.

In this link you can see a picture of Praia do Russel http://www.jblog.com.br/rioantigo.php?itemid=12525
In this other link you can see a transcription of permission The City http://zrak7.ifrance.com/santos-bonde-1881.pdf
Best regards Emms

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Hi Rocio

Thank you  Thank you  !

This is all fascinating to me.

I will get back to you tomorrow as it's very late here, but all the help is really appreciated

Best wishes

Emms

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Hi Rocio

I'm sorry it's got late again so I'll leave a longer reply until tomorrow.

Juist for the record though, yes I am in the UK in fact not far from where Richard and William Carruthers came from - though Isaacv remains a mystert.

In fact that is my real interest.  I am researching local artists with a friend and Richard Carruthers was an artist as well as a merchant, though we've had difficulty pinning down any Brazil paimntings - we know they existed though.

I will write more tomorrow - I hope!

Best wishes

Emms

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Hoi Rocio

I'm finally getting round to replying properly to your post!

I have to say again, it's really exciting to hear from someone who not only knows about the Carruthers family but also who is in Brazil!

As I said, my friend and I started researching local artists including Richard Carruthers.  Then we were amazed to discover his other activities in South America!  I was already interested in South America and the links with Africa from my own family - including the Patmores, especially George Morgan - though this was further south, also Jamaica and Mozambique.

I'm fascinated by anything you can tell me about Brazil at the time, or the Carruthers / Fricke connections.

The information we have about Richard Carruthers and William is concerning Rio de Janeiro.  Do you think he was in Sao Paolo and other places as well?  I'm interested you mention the Gas Lightoing companies.  We have evidence that Richard Carruthers and his associates and Carruthers and Co took over the gas lighting in Rio de Janeiro.  Richard was back oin England by then, but he had a position in the company.

Thank you for the links.  I will have another look at this.

No I'm not proficient in Portuguese by any means, but I have managed to get by so far with help from what I know of other languages and a translator!  So I may well take you up on yoour offer.

Where did ypou discover about the Carruthers friends and relationships if you don't mind me asking?

So far our information has come from lucky breaks in online books, British information and a couple of bits from contacts.  We haven't managed to pin down most of the events we know must have occured.

I will lookj up some details for my next reply.

thank you for all your efforts.

from a cool autumny, north of England.

Emms

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PS

If you would like any of our information about Carruthers origins you will be very welcome, though I'm away from home at the moment.

 

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Richard Carruthers I have some information about.  He played a major role in the industrial revolution in Brazil.  While a merchant in Rio de Janeiro he took on an orphan apprentice, if I remember correctly: Evangelista de Sousa from Porto Alegre.  The orphan had great aptitude for business and Carruthers backed him financially.  Evangelista was later made Baron de Maua.  He built Brazil's first railway, its first naval dockyard forge. I think the first Brazilian streamship.  Teh very first Brazilian steam engine (built in Manchester) was named Baron de Maua.  All this is from memory but you can corroborate it on line.  I was a correspondent in Brazil for 14 years and read extensively on the Maua.  I wondered what happened to Richard Carruthers.  Biographers of Maua mention Carruthers retired to Carlisle.  Any info on his end ?

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Hi
Great to hear from you.

Welcome to Rootschat!

I've not had chance to do too much recently, but I'm getting back into things I hope.

I'll have to write more later, as I'm away from home.  I'll give you a précis from memory.  the full story would fill the board but I'll give you an outline. I'd love to know any more from your end.  We have stuff about Maua from online but I'd love to know more about finding original records in Brazil.  If you were a correspondent did you use these or know the best libraries?

To swap more detail than will fit on a board or to exchange emails if you wanted to exchange attachments,we can also use the pm - personal messaging - system by the button on the left.

We've done loads on this and I'm sure my friend who started me off on it would be happy to send more detail.

For the moment, yes, Richard returned to the UK.  he still seems to have had links to business in Brazil though this is mostly from internet business reports.

He built a large house near Carlisle.  He married a lady who had been documented as his housekeeper having had a child to her.  He collected art.  Reports here say that he had a child in Brazil as well.  Would you know of any reports of that on original documents?

I've recently tied in his family with some records from the other side of the border involving another brother James and also William.

Richard died in the Carlisle area and is buried here and left a will.

I'd love to hear more detail and I'll share anything of interest.  I have a lot more detail.

Best wishes

Emms