Cumberland to Lancashire via Potugal and Brazil - Carruthers & Co.

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One of the biggest mysteries is the relationship to Isaac.  I'm wondering if he is a nephew rather than a brother.  Richard is almost a generation younger than his eldest brother.

We also have a few Carruthers family members in the UK on censuses but born in Brazil and Portugal and I'd love to know about them or where to look.

For instance, Maria Almeida Carruthers.  I think she must be a widow one of them.  She left a will but I don't have it so far.

Best wishes

Emms

[AndreCorrea]

Hi,
How are you? I am a brazilian researcher and I'm trying to find informations about Richard Carruthers (who was a partner of the Carruthers & Co.). One of the things that call my attention is that sometimes I found mentions about he being scottish. You mentioned that he was buried in Carslile, he was born there? Do you know if he had any connection with Scotland?
Any information that you could provide would help me. Please send an e-mail to correandre@gmail.com. And If you need any help to translate brazilian documents feel free to contact me in the same e-mail.
All the best,

André Corrêa

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Hi

Welcome to Rootschat!

Two replies in one night!

Yes, that's our Richard Carruthers.

The English Scottish border leads to some errors in writing over here, never name over there.

Add to that the fact that the border has been much disputed and has moved over the centuries and also, some people on one side of the border will have family on either side and use churches on both sides!

The fact is, Carlisle is really close to the border - ten minutes drive?  Richard was born close to Carlisle at Pedderhill and baptised at Kirklinton close by, both in the country very close to the border but in England.  He built his house, Eden Grove, in Crosby on Eden, close by and was buried in Kirklinton.

In fact he had family over the border but it is really common to see reports as Scottish for people in the Border area, and nowadays they could well have had a Scottish accent.

Andre, I might well take you up on the offer to translate.  I will keep a short version on here but send more detail.

I'll copy your email address but the moderators will probably take it off for privacy reasons.  If you post three - two? times you can use private messages - button left, to give email info etc privately.

Thank you again.

Best wishes

Emms 

[Brazuk]

feel free to email me directly: jkbrazuk@yahoo.co.uk  My books are in store at the moment but have a couple of books on Maua in Portuguese.  I'm now living in Cumbria and would love to know exactly where Richard lived so I could drive by and maybe see his gravestone. The street and building where he worked in downtown Rio is still well preserved. cheers John Kolodziejski

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Hi John
Great to hear back.  Books sound exciting!  You're a good few years ahead of me.  Only a dream at the moment for me.  Are they Brazil or local?

I haven't actually been up to the houses.  I was in Carlisle and I'll have to come back soon but at the moment I'm down in West Cumbria.  I always meant to go.  They're all quite rural and you may have to employ some charm to get right up to them.

All out in the wilds.  the one he built is Eden Grove - quite grand.  I've seen a picture and there's a bit on the web.  Formal columns at the door and galleries etc.  His son was also Richard and there are reports of loads of paintings etc coming out when it was sold.  In it's own grounds though I think, possibly secure.

Before that he had a smaller house close by - The Grove?

He was born at Pedderhill - I think there was a group of farmhouses/cottages there.  I'm not sure what still stands.

You can definitely look at the grave stone - more a monument - my friend's seen it - huge, apparently you can't miss it.  His father aged 100 is mentioned on the other side I think or close by.

I have some inscriptions for these.

I'll get some stuff together.

By the way, did you photograph any addresses in Rio?  I would love to see that a would my friend who I started this with.

Listed Buildings report for Eden Grove here.

http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-77670-eden-grove-stanwix-rural-cumbria

http://www.stevebulman.f9.co.uk/cumbria/1901/crosby_f.html

By the way, my mistake, the baptism is at Arthuret, not far away at Longtown.

I'm afraid it's a bit of rural mooching around in the car but fascinating.  All the churches are still there though maybe locked.  Many gravestones have disappeared but the one for Richard is still there.

I'll look at my notes and catch up by email.

Have fun.

Emms

[Brazuk]

I haven't looked carefully at all your posts on this subject. Are you a descendent of the wise Richard Carruthers ?  What got my attention yesterday was we were (unusually) watching ITV and there was a mention of Carrutherstown.  So that reminded me about my curiosity about your Carruthers. And behold, I did a web search and found your posts.  The chap in Brazil must have picked up my mention of Maua in the same way.  I lived in Rio for 4 of my 14 years in Brazil. As economic correspondent I was always interested in seeing how industry developed and nobody figures larger than Maua.  We'll certainly have a spin up to Eden Grove and the church.

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Hi Again

I hope you find all these places.

No, I'm not a descendant of Richard's.  My friend and I are just interested in local characters especially artists.

We just started with Richard's art.  He was renowned for doing his portrait of Wordsworth but when we looked into it we realised it would be Portugal and Brazil as well.

I hope you enjoy your trip.  Not sure how far you have to come .  I should think the graves and house would take a good chunk of a day,

Best wishes

Emms

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By the way, have either you good people ever found any details about the Carruthers & Co  activities in Lancashire or where they lived or any addresses?

I've looked quite a bit with no success.  I did find a shipping company who they used - Stott & Co?  Also, possibly Lyons?  Just names mentioned in common with them in some references.

Thank you for all your input.

Best wishes with the trip up to Crosby on Eden and Kirklinton.

Emms

[Brazuk]

Was Carruthers any good at painting ?  I hadn't seen any mention of his prowess in this area in Brazil.  Just that he was a steady, probably a bit dour, merchant.  If he produced anything in Brazil it's not well-known as I've seen most collections of that period there.  We live in Arnside, so a quick trip up the M6 no probs.