BLO(O)MFIELDs - Stoneham

[Lady Grace]

Oh my goodness, must make a cafe and read all this info up, nice to see you back Yi, its been too quiet without you :)thanks for all that! onwards!

[Yi Win]

Sorry Grace,

Wasnt getting email updates since I changed my email address! Kept meaning to look in as I thought you guys were all a bit too quiet!

Have looked into the William C lists and its all very dubious - seems like a list of those who came over 'at some point' as oppsed to the invading force - and due to the spelling varients 'de blunvil' isnt there - or is he ? theres a 'de Bondeville Richard' ? but who knows!

Cant figure out the Viscount of Saxmundham bit though - do I gather this is a modern title carried now? by an Australian?? Couldnt find anything about it other than that one biography I quoted.

Would love a look at Peter's info regarding the connection with William C's mother though - especially as theres a ''vague' link via his half brother (same mum) to the Blunvil family anyway.

Chat soon
Yi

[Yi Win]

I have found this,

According to the plaque displayed at Notre-Dame de Dives, in Dives sur Mer, Normandy, a Richard de Bondeville was numbered among Duke William's 345 Companions in Arms who sailed from there in 1066 for the Battle of Hastings. Bondeville, however, is a different place to Blonville, so there may be no connection.  Afterwards, many of William's companions and supporters took advantage of the post-conquest resettlement opportunities (free land and manors) and took up substantial landholdings. In 1086, Richard de Blunvill held lands in Norfolk, Suffolk and Essex.

from source http://www.jacksontree.co.uk/Blunderfield.htm

which is exactly what my personal thoguht were - but of course only thoughts......

Yi

PS I have found this tree and info on it usually matches with my and Peters early info.

[Yi Win]

there's about 40 miles betwen Bondeville and Blonville sur mer.

[Yi Win]

ALERT, ALERT,

ALL HAND'S ON DECK

YI NEEDS HELP.......

In brief I need 2 things can you help?

1) does anyone have access to these records....

NORFOLK RECORDS OFFICE

http://nrocat.norfolk.gov.uk/Dserve/dserve.exe?dsqServer=128.60.0.31&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=7&dsqSearch=%28%28PlaceCode==%27GB/153/PL/280%27%29%29

My computer crashes when I try to open thier site - I am happy to pay for the record ifthats how to get a copy - could someone look into how to get it or does someone already have access?

2)

Does anyone have an upgraded Ancestry subscription to view British Chancery Records. I need a Robert Blomvyle/Blomvill died c 1498 looked up in them

I use my cousins membership so cant join for a free month on someone elses account - however one of you may already have ot or be prepared to look it up on a free trial

Thanks Gail for finding all this out - we now have to try and sort it all out 

REF 1 - above...

Robert Blomvill born c1410-1458 died after 1503(?)
son of William Blomville and Elizabeth de Bosville of Newton Flotman

alegedly he was witness at his brother Richards Will in 1503

However his brother Richard died in 1490 but his nephew Richard died in 1503 - if the above record at Norfolk Records Office states he was there at the brother or nephews Will in 1503 - then he cant have been the same Robert who died in Stonham in 1498.

Simple - problem solved!

REF 2 above

Re Robert Blomvill/Blomvyle died c 1498

Gail found on ancestry soem recent additions - there are several trees stating Robert son of William and Elizabeth de Bosville of the Newton Flotman line is the father of Gilbert Blomvyle of the Stonham Parva line.

Looking into the trees source info is blank so I am assuming it is copied from 1 or 2 trees on there to other trees and the trees that mention citations and sources are...

http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/17733870/person/1326620705?ssrc=

http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/11247141/person/1406456379

one mentions their source as British Chancery Records and that his wife Isabel is all from this citation

So we need to view these records for

a) to check his wife is actually an Isabel Cockerell
b) to see if his paretsn are mentioned as being William and Elizabeth de Bosville

OR has some one looked it up and just assumed this Robert who died in Stonham Parva in 1498 is the son of William and Elizabeth de Bosville.

Facts are that there is a Robert who is Gilbert Blomvyles father in Stonham Parva and he died in 1498.

Fact is there is a Robert who is the son of William and Elizabeth de Bosville alive around the same time in Newton Fltoman.

Fact is that Roberts brother William DID move to Stonham Parva around this time and marry there.

Fact is that there is already an older Blomvyle family in Stonham Parva already well settled with a Will dating 1416 of a Gilbert Blomvyle.

Fact - the Newton line do NOT use the name Gilbert.

Fact the Stonham line DO use the name Gilbert

So are there 2 Roberts or one?

and is the use of the name Gilbert a coincidence as not used in the Flotman line which is odd to bring in a new name
or
is the name Gilbert used because it is a Stonham line name and is following father son tradition

Also note that one of the d'Blunvil pedigrees of Newton Flotman line states that from Robert son of William and Elizabeth de Bosville decends the Baronets of Blomefield (Pedigree from Hilliard, EV Bloomfield, Francis B records)

well the Stonham lot were never Baronets or do I need to start wearing a coronet? 

If anyone could help do some reseach with me it would be great as this is the link many of us on here want and Gail may just have stumble across it.

The best is we have a wives name for the Stonham Robert.

The worst is we look up the records and are stuck where we are.

I could approach my cousin about upgrading his ancestry for a month but I'd rather see if any of you have it or have access it 1st if thats ok.

Cant wait for yoru thoughts but do a trace in trees for Robert Blomvyle on ancestry and it will show you what people are linking in.

We just need the facts.

Thansk a lot guys
Yi Win
 

Ps PM me if you want my email add.

[Lady Grace]

wow! Yi, that sounds all very very interesting, the link HAS to be there somewhere, lets pray someone has access to the info you wants, I am certain  that once the missing link found it will all pop into place, yes i did find it odd that the name Gilbert was not followed through in the descending generations, that to my mind was a red flag, so what you indicate re Gilberts line may be factual.....crikey this is getting even more exciting, sorry I don't have any access to Ancestry..heaps of luck and good wishes Grace

[Yi Win]

Hi All,

Gail is going to go via the Norfolk Records Office and get the Will 1503 of Richard and i'll half the bill with her - my computer is slow and old and their site wont load properly on my computer - it freezes so thats why i needed the help there.

Peter Myler (sure most of you will heave heard of him if you are in our branch of the Blomvyles) is going to go over the Ancestry trees and see if he can get into the British Chancery Records but he's not a subscribed member so if anyone otu there is can they look it up please.

he is going to ask the tree owners for their documents.

Grace,

yes the name 'Gilbert' has always put a doubt in a few of our minds - there are several possible links into the main line but all have queries on them.

2 of William and Elizabeth de Bosville's kids could have been likely candidates

William or Robert - however Williams line is well documented in the various pedigrees and books under William and Ann Cutting and no mention of a Gilbert apepars as a child and all the other names are familiar to that line.

Robert who is our query remains so even though Gilberts father is another Robert.

It is mentioned in one pedigree that from this Robert (son of W & E) the Baronets Blomefield decended - I looked into this and the baronet was created 1807

see this site....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blomefield_Baronets

and appears to have been from a branch in Attleborough - which in itself proves nothing but IF this Robert was also the one who went to Stonham surely it would have been better documented but the evidence swings elsewhere for his decedents.

And then we have the Will of Gilbert Blomvyle 1416 stating he is of Stonham and has 2 brothers John and William of Stonham.

I has this Will translated from Latin and if I can figure out how to attach it here I will do so - again this computer may not load the document.

Have fun
Yi

PS it wont let me up load the Will it says wrong format but if anyone wants a copy i can attach to am email if you PM me.

[Yi Win]

Re the name Gilbert....

Gilbert Will 1416 - Stonham
Gilbert 1450 - 1524 -Stonham
(Thomas son of above had Thomas, Gilbert 1501, John, Henry - moved to Diss,)
Gilbert 1501 had Thomas, Simon, John, Nicholas,
it is quite possible a son Gilbert did not survive and so the name was discontinued rather than name the next son the same.

It is usual to use the fathers, grandfathers and then father in laws names to name the sons.

of Gilberts sons
Thomas died young
Simon only had a girl
Nicholas may or may not be a son and his family is unknown

John's son was
John Thomas (after him and 2nd name Thomas after grandfather)
then we have Roger, Barnaby, Samuel and Robert!

maybe it was a time to call kids other names, or after the wives family or maybe more survived and were named out of the family tradition - maybe to do with religious views.

However nothing is known about these other sons by me but John Thomas called his own kids after dad, grandad and his brothers!

Henry (Diss) however had a grandson called Gilbert in c1580 but little is known by me of this line as to whether the name continued.

There was also a Gilbert in 1659 - Stonham
he was decended from Robert son of Gilbert 1450

then the name appears again in the Australian line
Uriel Gilbert 1836
Uriel Gilbert c1850
Clement Gilbert 1878

This family is decended from the UK Mendlesham line but probably not linked to Gilbert 1450's family.

[Gayla]

Hi all

Just to let you know I have ordered the will from the Norfolk Records Office.  This may take some time coming (I was told 10 days to 2 weeks) they are busy, so no quick answers.  As soon as I get it I will scan it and send  a copy to Yi Win.

Couldn't believe how many trees there are now on ancestry for the Bloomfields/Blomvyles (gosh there are certainly a lot of us!).  Unfortunately my subscription with them doesn't give access to the Chancery Records. Let's keep our fingers crossed some of this  information may help.

Gail