BLO(O)MFIELDs - Stoneham

[youngtug]

And even sideways.     http://thepeerage.com/p10680.htm#i106793

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And.      http://thepeerage.com/p12297.htm#i122967

[Yi Win]

Hi,

He's a curious one......

He was Ranulf le Meschin styled "le Blundeville" of the le Meschin family, Earls of Chester and as far as I can make out is not connected to our family.

Dont quote me on that 

but I dont think its til later that one side of the de Blunvil family took the spelling Blundeville.

Dont quote me in that either 

Just covering my butt here as things at this age are so hazy and people get so jittery becuase they are sure what they have is right and everyone else is wrong.

I am not saying what I have is right - what I am saying is I have a possibility and would like to put thoughts together with others who have differing but just or even more as accurate lineages.

cheers young tug - whats your view on good old Ranulf de Blundeville, 4th Earl of Chester.

[Yi Win]

Frances Blundevill

     Frances Blundevill is the daughter of Simon Blundevill.
Children of Frances Blundevill and Thomas Alston

    * William Alston1 b. b 1609, d. 16 Mar 1636/37
    * Sir Thomas Alston, 1st Bt.+1 b. c 1609, d. c Jul 1678

Yup - that's most definitely one of ours!

[youngtug]

Died without issue it says, probably keep him on the sidelines. Came across this;  Rolls of the eyre of 1244. 30 Henry3.  Item, The land which belonged to William Thurstan which the King gave to Henry de Burgh and after to Thomas de Blunville and afterwards to Ralp the Parmenter,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Yi Win]

It is said the de Burgh family and the de Blunvil's are intermarried.

Meanwhile another tongue twister to get your brain around....

Davy's MSS

Richard de blomville
of Bulcamp in Henham
time R1 1189-1199 (death dates)

H de Blomville
Hen de Blomville 1E1 = 1272-1273 (died)
H de Blomville 25E1 = 1296-1297
John de Blomville 33E1 = 1304-1305
Henry de Gundesburgh 2E3 of Wetunhale (Wigenhale) 25 JAn 1328-1329
5E3 = 1331 = 1332
R de Blonville 1345-1349
John De Blonville

and

L C SEIR
THE ORIGIN.
In point of age, the family ranks as one of the oldest in East Anglia, and, for the, facts concerning its origin, the Writer is indebted to an excellent account by Sir Reginald Blomfield. R.A., published privately in 1910 by The Chiswick Press, entitled " A Suffolk Family. Being an account of the family of Blomfield in Suffolk.”

It   appears   the   family   migrated   from    the   little village of Blomville, on the Normandy coast.
Like a great many early English surnames, this was derived from its original place of settlement. For instance, entries on local (Colchester) Manorial Court Rolls contain records as follows : John atte Fen, Matthew atte Wood, which in time became John Fenn and Matthew Wood. In a similar way, we find the first record of this family is Robert de Blomeville living in 1190. He was, therefore, Robert of Blomvile, in Normandy.

NOTE:
I have now altered my tree from Ralph at this point to Robert as there are more references to him being a Robert than Ralph even though the Pedigree I had said Ralph and it is such on a few other trees!


However going back to Grace's original enquiry I have no idea why the names do not follow down? Although all 3 names appear the next generation down with a Richard, Robert and William.

The name Ralph also appears a generation down.

Maybe children died or they named the first children after other family members hoping to name a younger son the fathers name - which does happen a lot in this tree - it is not always the eldest son who carries the fathers name - if there are no further sons the name skips a generation.

[Yi Win]

and here we have 2 nicely conflicting bits of information.....

from rev Francis Blomefield

Manor of Blundeville or Newton Hall at Newton Flotman in Norfolk
William de Blundeville, Blomvyle or Blunnel, who had it oft the gift of henry de Rye, he left it to Richard his son who was Lord in 1226, being nephew to thomas de Blunvil, Bishop of Norfolk, in 1388 Richard Blumville held it and in 1420 William Blumvyle esq and he was suceeded by catherine his wife and she by richard thier son who died in 1503.

Newton Hall. The manor of Blundevilles.

    * William de Blundeville c1121
    * Richard c1160  [son] lord in 1226.
[nephew of Thomas Blumville, bishop of Norwich]

and from Dictionary of National Biography volume 05.djvu/280

Thomas de Blundeville blundville (d 1236)..... he was the son of Robert de Blunville of Newton Flotman and the younger brother of William de Blunville constable of Corfe Castle... nephew of Hubert de Burgh


The problem here is William (who was given Newton Flotman) brother is Thomas so Thomas' father couldnt have owned Newton Flotman!

BUT we also have Robert who is said to have been Thomas' father and owned Newton Flotman.

Open to the many suggestions bound to arise from this!


 

[Lady Grace]

'Our first Blomvyle ancestor in England is Robert de Blomeville who came from Normandy France, he was living in 1190, under the reign of Henry 11 (1154-1189) Richard 1( 1189-1199). He was a nobleman and owned considerble  property and land in Norfolk and Suffolk.'
This was taken from 'Revision of Blomfield Pedigree 1190 to 1981 by Charles W J Blomfield -addendum 1981-2002'.
For Blomfields take a look on Google street maps at BLOMVYLE HALL-  very interesting, one can see the red brick old buildings in the front by road used for various businesses, to the right is an imposing 2 storied red brick house behind a hedge.....however to the left down a long drive is another big old house with many old chimney stacks, I wonder if this is what remains of the original Blomvyle HALL? it looks very interesting but hard to see behind the trees....anyone in that area know anything about this??

[youngtug]

Is anyone else a member of this site, preferably a club privelege member http://collections.geneanet.org/ouvrages/index.php?action=search&book_type=livre&rech=blomfield&start=28&fuzzy=1