BLO(O)MFIELDs - Stoneham

[youngtug]

I may be a little out on the dates and information about the council of Basel, I really will have to look it up, in the meantime this is interesting;   http://www.archive.org/stream/lacrisereligieus01valouoft#page/232/mode/2up

[Yi Win]

So what it is saying is that the John who went to Basel had the same coat of arms as the Henry mentioned here gent of Fersfield! In other words they are related.

I was wondering who the John d 1548 was!

and they are decended from Henry approx 1422-1471

hmm.... lots of food for thought!

Cheers - Yi

[youngtug]

Henry went to Basel. If it is the representation de l'angletere in the link I put on then the date was 14th july 1433. Which would tie in with King Henry the 6th who reigned from 1422 to 1461 [ and again briefly from 1470 to 1471] Although it may have been a different trip to Basel. John who died in 1548 was descended from the Henry that went to Basel. So, a son or grandson of this Henry. The  John that he bore  the shield arms with , is lost in the crease. Unless  it means the John descended from him, but that does not make sense.

[Yi Win]

Hi Youngtug,

Unless  it means the John descended from him, but that does not make sense.

cheers - thats what I thought too - has to be another John!

[Yi Win]

hi,

There is a John on my tree who died in 1548 in Bury St Edmunds but he married and had children!

ah - well maybe somebody will link John & the elder Henry in somewhere!

[Lady Grace]

Don't know if this makes any difference to anything...
Little Stonham is the english for Stonham Parva, "little" in latin  is "parvus, Interesting that they used the feminine "parva" as both TOWN(oppidum) avd VILLAGE(pagus) are masculine.
so our search continues.......

[Yi Win]

Hi,

Just to add to Grace's comment one of the Stonham's was also know as Stonham-Jernegan  for a while after the Jernegan family who owned property and land there !

[Lady Grace]

Hi YI Win..can we fit these guys in anywhere, they look promising, or have you got them already?

Calendar of charters and rolls preserved in the Bodleian library.....
William de Blomvile, son of Richard de Blomvile, quit-claims to
the prior and convent of Christ Church, Canterbury, and their
successors, all right and claim in one acre of land in Depeham,
which is called ' Schortacre/ lying between the land of Hamo the
priest on the east, and the land of William Boinbel on the west,
and one head abuts upon the King's street which leads towards
Norwich on the south, which acre William de Blum vile, his grand-
father, formerly granted to the same church..

(me)  so thats William de Blumvile, the Grandfather, Richard ( Robert)? de Blomvile the son, [b]William de Blomvile ( Blomvyle, the grandson! These   could be part of the early Blomvyle family tree? there must be daughter and wives too..to link in if we can find them.

What do you think?

[Yi Win]

Hi Grace,

This is a complicated one and Iam not at my own computer so am having to remember bits as I've only access to the tree on Genes and not my main source file with all the notes attached.

William, the grandfather, was the son of the original Richard who came over from Calvados around the time of the Conqueror but Probably not with (ie as one of William's knights who invaded)

There is a link to our branch, hopefully a direct decent, but not yet found!

Ours are the Stonham Blomvyle's dating back to mid 1300's but we need to research a link via the Wills to find out which branch off the main line (ie the eldest sons line) we are from - it may never be found but there are several Wills I've not yet had translated which may help out - my latin isnt very good (non existant) so waiting for winter months a slow down of work to look into this.

HOWEVER....

This branch of de blunvil's (or however you spell it) inter-married several times with our Stonham branch - it would appear the 'ladies' were 'traded off' to keep property within the family.

I have an excel document which outlines this I can email it to you if you so wish - it is slightly easier to follow the branches and inter-marriages than the tree as i've coloured the branches and also stated what property was invovled in transactions by colouring the property as well.

I was trying to establish just how the Stonham and Newton Flotman branches were inter linked and who inherited the larger houses of the family and what became of the houses down to present day - most are now run as farms and classed as listed buildings.

I was also hoping to establish a link from the earliest Stonham gent  to the other branches already documented from the line you mentioned but no luck as of yet - although we can rule it out to one or 2 people listed there may well be younger sons not listed and one of these became the  gent in Stonham.

So currently havent progressed down any branch or up from our branch to find a direct link but do know there were several marriage links between the 2 branches.

The elder 2 gents I do not know who they married Ralph de Blunvil seems to have married a lady of the de Burgh family and the younger William a Margery de Soham.

This deduction is from documents stating who Ralph's uncles were via his wifes family (de Burgh's) and that William son of Ralph married into the de Soham family (property inheritance document) and that his wife is called Margery so that would kind of make her Margery de Soham!

Do you have access to my tree?

As it was linked by several marriages the line back to Richard born Calvados is on there even though our line stops mid 1300's.

I need to look at the Wills available or go one step further and employ a geneoligist to see if we can get that extra push!

Have fun
Amanda