BLO(O)MFIELDs - Stoneham

[Lady Grace]

Just having a looksee now youngtug, hmmm that looks interesting I may have to join..thanks

[youngtug]

Bit strange to get around, probably because it is of French origin.

[Yi Win]

Will go look at your link in a bit youngtug.

Meanwhile I did abit of internet hunting last night and have come up with several origin names of the family - but as to which is correct I dont know.

We Have......

Davys MSS

Richard de Blomville of Bulcamp in Henham d c 1190
father of Henry

Blomville Pedigree A Suffolk Family by Reginald Blomfield

Richard sub tenent of Hubert de Monte Caniso
father of William (Corfe), Thomas (Bishop) & Ralph

Rev Francis Blomfield

William (Cofe) was gifted Newton Flotman by Henry de Rye
who was father of Richard who held Newton Flotman 1226
and brother of Thomas (Bishop)

Charles W J Blomfield
'Our first Blomvyle ancestor in England is Robert de Blomeville who came from Normandy France, he was living in 1190,

Dictionary of National Biography volume 05.djvu/280

Thomas de Blundeville blundville (d 1236)..... he was the son of Robert de Blunville of Newton Flotman and the younger brother of William de Blunville constable of Corfe Castle... nephew of Hubert de Burgh

Newton Hall. The manor of Blundevilles.

    * William de Blundeville c1121
    * Richard c1160  [son] lord in 1226.
[nephew of Thomas Blumville, bishop of Norwich]

de Blunvil pedigree

* De Blunvil B.1015-1114. M. 1039-1145. D.1050-1187 ---->
William De Blunvill B.1050-1144 @ Coln, Essex,uk. M.est.1075-1175 dateB. 1091. D.1172. - --->
Ralph De Blunvill B.1086-1174 or 1122. M. 1110-1205.
D. 1121-1248 or1199. ---->
Wiliam De Blunvill (corfe) B.1121-1204. M. Margery abt.1147-1235 B.1126-1207. D.1157-1285. he died.1157-1290 ---->
Richard De Blomvyle B.1157-1233. M.1183-1265. D.1194-1309. M. Amica De Stutville B.1162-1236. D.1193-1315.


so really anyones guess is anyone BUT we do have 2 references to BEFORE 1190 in the William c1121.

I really am open to suggestions and have no answers.

many of the Blomfield trees on line follow the de Blunvil pedigree with notes and citations to back up the information so its come from documentation not guess work but who really knows!

these go...

Richard sub tenent of Hubert de Monte Caniso
father of William, Richard and Walter

William father of Ralph

Ralph father of
William (Corfe), Thomas (Bishop) and Ralph

ce la vie!

at a loss now!

(but still smiling!)

[Yi Win]

I have copies of the following..

Pedigree of Gilbert Blomvyle and Elizabeth English
Pedigree of Richard Blomville of Bulcamp from British Museum
EV Blomfield's Book
Blomfield Pages from Davy's MSS
Barrington/Blomfield family tree
The Will of Gilbert Blomvyle 1416
Parish records of Stoke Ash, Thornham Magna, Wickahm Skieth
Excel spreadsheet of Blomfield Parish records Suffolk
The Blomfields of Dedham and Colchester by L C Sier
Various Pedigree charts from RV and EV Blomfields' books of Blomfield Pedigree's

Can copy to people.

Yi

[Yi Win]

There is also references to Blomfield properties in The Manors of Suffolk by Coppinger - the book was readable on line but my link to it isnt working.

This book was adivsed to me by a Rootschat member Sunnylew a while back - maybe he has up to date link?

This is also from Sunnylew

I was organising what I'd downloaded from worldvitalrecords, and had a look at your Gilbert of 1523.

The year rang a bell, and I realised there was a subsidy taken in Suffolk in that year. The list of those who paid is in this book:

http://norlink.norfolk.gov.uk/02_Catalogue/02_005_TitleInformation.aspx?searchTerm=336.22&searchTerm2=&searchTerm3=&searchTerm4=&searchType=4&Page=1&media=&branch=&authority=&language=&junior=&rcn=GRN0345010&fr=tl

You should be able to find it in a bigger library (there was another in 1568 as well).

I'm guessing that is the source of Gilbert in the pedigree. You may also, with a bit of hunting, find William English. At a guess, if Elizabeth is listed as his heir, then he probably had something worth mentioning to pass on to her, and so he should be listed relatively prominently in whichever parish he came from.

but I so not have access to worldvitalrecords

[Lady Grace]

Something that I just read on line in a book re all the old English/Norman  names was that 'Blunderville' was actually Blondeville, all to do with phonetics evidently  so that may make it easier when checking all these ancestors so de Blunville is actually de Blomvyle..hmmmmmmm..'Blun' &' Blom', easy enough to get wrong in dem olden days I guess, just makes it harder for us to unravel

[Yi Win]

There are so many spelling varients it's all making for a lot of good fun!

[Lady Grace]

......or headaches Yi........

[Yi Win]

Hi,

Yes it can cause headaches but it is very interesting to note that most name vaients occur when a younger branch moves away from the main one to live in a different location - or going back very early is anglatised from native French to Anglo English 'Ville' 'Field and also the 'de' is dropped but in the Stonham branch is resuected as Stephen Blomville DE MOWNESS (Stephen Blomville of Mowness Hall) - he does seem to be a 'somebody' because it is him who the Coat of Arms is recorded with and it being the same Coat of Arms as the Newton Flotman line - makes you wonder - he obviously wanted some sort of affiliation with the main line and status of power in his own right as well - I wonder if there was an interconnecting marriage between these 2 branches at this time?

Further food for thought!

Meanwhile I am thinking of looking at asking for help from a professional geneologist to see if we can further back our Stonham branch or link it to the main one.