BLO(O)MFIELDs - Stoneham

[Yi Win]

Hi,

This is the information I have on Robert......

Will Arch. of Suffolk Bth XII-28 dated 2-3-1534
Inherited Mowness from Thomas Crowe (via Gilbert BLOMEFIELD) in will dated 1483

Conveyance FB159/L1/21 6 Aug. 1496
Thomas Blomvyle of Little Stonham, chaplain to John Blomvyle of Little Stonham, son of Gilbert Blomvyle, Geoffrey Horsman of Wetheringsett, Richard Rotyll of Mendlesham, Robert Blomvyle of Little Stonham and Thomas Blomvyle of the same place, sons of Gilbert; lands and tenements in Mendlesham

source: Pedigree of BLOMFIELD of Mowness in Stonham Aspal


1st entry in Little Stonham is in the deeds of 1489 spelt Blomvyle

Record of Crowes:- an indenture dated Feb 8th 1577 by which Arthur Blomvyle of Little Stonham Yeoman sells to George Harrison of Debenham yeoman "all that tenement called Crowes etc which Robert Blomvyle his father held of the Manor of Little Stonham and Earl Stonham"

Robert married Margery

EV Blomfields Pedigrees of East End Aspall Stonham
Will of Robert Blomvyle to wife Margery
received tenement at Broadweys with lands called Willemott for life

and they appear to have had 8 children.

The eldest inherited Crowes (Arthur)
The 2nd House Mowness (William)
The 3rd land at Bildeston (John)

Robert died in 1534 and held "Mowness & Crowes" Manors of Stonham Parva & Earl Stonham : inherited lands in Mendlesham

[Lady Grace]

Thanks for that info Yi , wow ,  well hes the eldest brother, your Thomas is next then our John the baby of the family , thats great, I'll pass that info on re his wife Margery!......ever onwards....

[Yi Win]

Hi,

You can copy it straight from my tree if you want to - after all it IS the same tree! :-)

[Lady Grace]

Of course A we are 'Family'!

[Yi Win]

Too right.

We even have matching coats of arms on our profiles !!!!!

 

[Lady Grace]

Our first Blomvyle ancestor in England is Robert de Blomeville who came from Normandy France, he was living in 1190, under the reign of Henry 11 (1154-1189) Richard 1( 1189-1199). He was a nobleman and owned considerble  property and land in Norfolk and Suffolk.   One of Robert's sons the youngest ,Thomas de Blomville became Bishop of Norwich, 2nd generation down we have  the names William the older son of Robert de Blomeville, & his son Richard,3rd generation down we have the forementioned Richard Blomvyle & his son John, all of Newton Flotham....4th generation we have John Blomevyle with his son William, the name William comes around again,  in honour of their illustrious ancestor, I find it odd there is none named  Robert here? point here is, these are all the same names as in our branch of the Stonham Parva Blomvyles, suggesting one of the younger sons somewhere along the line  has taken over  their land/property at Stonhan Parva..we just have to figure out which one! but we are getting closer, then its across the channel to Normandy France!

[Yi Win]

Hi Grace,

I have a slightly differing beginning (and in no account am I saying this one is accurate!)

Ralph de Blunvil (also known as Robert! curious!) was nephew and heir to Richard de Blunvil & suceeded to land in Colne before 1198.

RB Book of Blomfield Pedigrees
calls Ralph "Robert 1190"

or maybe there was a Ralph and Robert who were brothers?

Ralph's father was William.....

William's father was Richard.....

internet archives
Starrs of Holy Trinity Term, 28 Henry III. 1244
(re Coln)

account of any debt owing to them by the said William de
Blunvill, or his father, Richard, from the creation to the end of the world,
all such debts having been acquitted by the said Abbot and Convent.

Richard de BLUNVILL was born in Blonville in Calvados, Normandy, France. He died after 1086. Had a grant of land in Sterleshey in Colne Engaine, Essex.

He had the following children:
William de BLUNVILL
Richard de BLUNVILL died before 1198.
Walter de BLUNVILL died after 1149.

Richard de blunvil from  Blonville, By Trouville, Calvados, Normandy France 1060-1086, had son William 1061 - 1092  Colne Engaine, Essex, England

Richard de Blonville who was the subtenant to Hubert de Monte Caniso, near Blonville, Normandy in 1086. from whom were descended the following, Robert de Blondeville (or Blmeville) living in 1190 in Newton Flotman, Norwich, England, Sir William de Blomvyle, the Constable of Corfe Caste and thomas de Blumville, the Bishop of Norwich in 1226, formerly constable of the Tower of London (1224) and nephew of Hugh de Burgh.

Note: It was normal for a land owner (hubert) to have the same subtenants (Richard) in Normandie as in England.

Wakes Colne on line:-
Part of the Little Colne estate held of Robert Malet by Walter of Caen in 1086 (fn. 76) extended into Wakes Colne where it formed the freehold or submanor of Serdeleshey or LOVENEY HALL. It was held of Colne Engaine manor until 1556 or later. (fn. 77) By the later 12th century William de Cheney or his successors had enfeoffed Richard Blunville, whose great nephew William Blunville disputed the estate with Richard Engaine between 1199 and 1201. (fn. 78) Another William Blunville held c. 1278. (fn. 79)

So I have ....
Richard
who had
Richard, William and Walter

at this point land was divided and inherited by sons

Richard heir inherited Bulcamp in Henham (had heirs could be us???)
William inherited Coln (became Newton Flotman line (could be us)
Walter - unknown

William had Ralph (Robert) (or both?)
he MUST have had other sons but I dont know of any - maybe none survived maybe they arent recorded as did not inherit anything of worth

Ralph had
William, Thomas and Ralph
William of Newton Flotman (heirs)
Thomas the Bishop
Ralph the Archdeacon

and as normal it is all as clear as mud so if anyone wants to add anything maybe different again please feel free!

Remember I have no proof of anything other than what is written in docs on line and suggested by others.

[Yi Win]

I suppose now we have the question of a Ralph and a Robert were they the same or brothers or what!

Onwards and ever backwards!

[Yi Win]

Hi,

One family tree I have states

Richard subtenant to Hubert had...

William, Thomas and Ralph

The on line pedigree (which is where my tree is based this far back and matches with 2 other trees) goes like....


de Blunvil pedigree

* De Blunvil B.1015-1114. M. 1039-1145. D.1050-1187 ---->
William De Blunvill B.1050-1144 @ Coln, Essex,uk. M.est.1075-1175 dateB. 1091. D.1172. - --->
Ralph De Blunvill B.1086-1174 or 1122. M. 1110-1205.
D. 1121-1248 or1199. ---->
Wiliam De Blunvill B.1121-1204. M. Margery abt.1147-1235 B.1126-1207. D.1157-1285. he died.1157-1290 ---->
Richard De Blomvyle B.1157-1233. M.1183-1265. D.1194-1309. M. Amica De Stutville B.1162-1236. D.1193-1315.

and the Newton Flotman Pedigree goes.....

    * William de Blundeville c1121
    * Richard c1160  [son] lord in 1226.
nephew of Thomas Blumville, bishop of Norwich
     * John c1200
      * William Blumvyle c1274 succeeded by his widow Katherine
      * William c1266 (inherited on death of Elder brother Nicholas)
       * Richard c 1300
         * in 1388 Richard Blumvyle c 1343 held the manor
         * and in 1420 William Blumvyle esq, c1380
         * Richard Blomevyle esq, c1404
           suceeded by Catherine his wife
          * Richard, c1470 their son who died in 1503
            * succeeded by Ralph, c1470  his brother who died in 1514
             *  Edward, c 1495 his son. died in 1568
             * Thomas, his son, c1522 held a court baron & lete in 1569


(REMEMBERING THIS IS NOT A DIRECT DECENT FROM FATHER TO SON)

So we all have name varients and paretnal varients at this far back, however this is not surprising!

But which is correct?

Food for thought!