Cameron/Levy/Marks - birth Query

[DotBrennan]

Hi Lu

Glad to help.
Thought you may have used the Auck City Library site which doesn’t have that extra info.

I found the marriage for that Catherine Susan Mary BOYD.
As it is less that 80 years ago, I will PM you the details.
Also it appears that this was her 2nd marriage as there are 2 names, neither of which show up on a search, so the first marriage must have been overseas.
Therefore still don’t know what her maiden name was…..

Bren

[Lucy2]

Thought you may have used the Auck City Library site which doesn’t have that extra info.

Ah yes, Auck. Library site  ... that's where I'd spotted it ... (so I don't need new specs, after all ? )     

Many thanks Bren ... (and I think I've now managed also to sort out this "Susan BOYD").

Cheers
Lu

[Lucy2]

Lu - do you think George was possible Sarah COULDREY'S brother? - and that's how the Couldrey line continued in NZ?

Hi Loz

Mmmm  ... I'm just racking my brain ever so hard over these COULDREY's  ...  and there's nothing "jumping out" at the moment.   

Lu

[lozzab]

Hi Lu,
I'm pretty sure now that Sarah and George Couldrey were brother and sister and another brother, Robert also came to New Zealand with his wife Emily Sophia (nee Thomas) and their daughter, also Sarah.

I found the family indexed under "Cowarey" in the 1841 Census
William Couldrey -Head  b: about 1801 Abingdon, Berkshire, England - Porter
Sarah                 - wife b: 1803, Radley, Berkshire
Children

Emma - b: 1829
William - B: 1831
Edwin- b:1833
Ellen- b: 1834
George- b: 1835
Sarah- b:1836
Robert - b:1838
Elizabeth - b: 1840

so looks like George arrived in NZ in 1863 and set up business with Thomas HYDE and then sent for sister, Sarah who came out and married his good mate and business partner, Thomas HYDE, had one child to him (William John HYDE) and then died.

Brother , Robert, wife Emily Sophia and daughter Sarah, have also come out at some stage.

Loz

[lozzab]

I have also had a look at the HYDE families.

Thomas Hyde (1832)- (who married Sarah COULDREY) and Charles HYDE (1831)- (who was Edgar's father) were brothers from Buckdon, Huntingdonshire!

There were about 12 children in that family - their father being John HYDE (b:1800) and mother Mary ARBON. (They married 13/07/1829) - Buckdon. (I found them on the IGI)

In the NZ indexes - there is a marriage for a Herbert Arbon COULDREY marrying a Rose TRUST in 1907.  I can't work out yet who his parents are - but the ARBON name has come from the HYDE family and been used by the COULDREY family! (Now - I'm getting confused!)

AS well as Thomas and Charles coming to NZ - two of their sisters, Martha and Harriet also went to NZ and married there.


Loz

[Eyesee]

1851
Thames St, St Nicholas, Abingdon
William COULDREY, head mar 50, Wine cellar man, born St Helen Abingdon
Sarah COULDREY, wife mar 48, born Radley
William COULDREY jnr, son unm 20, Carpenter, born St Helen, Abingdon
George COULDREY, son 16, Drapers Porter, born ditto
Sarah COULDREY, dau 15, Errand girl, born ditto
Robert COULDREY, son 13, Shoemaker, born St Nicholas, Abingdon
Elizabeth COULDREY, dau 10, Scholar, born ditto
HO107 1688 328 32

1861
Thames St, St Nicholas, Abingdon
William COULDREY, head mar 61, Miller, born Abingdon, Berks
Sarah COULDREY, wife mar 56, born Radley, Berks
Sarah COULDREY, dau unm 24, Needlewoman, born Abingdon, Berks
Robert COULDREY, son unm 23, Shoemaker, born ditto
Elizabeth COULDREY, dau unm 20, House work, born ditto
RG9 732 18 29

William snr is still around in 1871 and 1881 living in an Almshouse in Abingdon. He was a widower so Sarah died between 1861 and 1871.

Ian C

[Eyesee]

1851
High St, Buckden, Huntingdonshire
John HYDE, head mar 51, Ag lab, born Hunts, Buckden
Mary HYDE, wife mar 41, born Cambs, Gravely
Charles HYDE, son unm 19, Ag lab, born Hunts, Buckden
Tom HYDE, son unm 18, Ag lab, born ditto
Benjamin HYDE, son 11, Ag lab, born ditto
Mary A HYDE, dau 10, born ditto
Susan HYDE, dau 7, born ditto
Harriot HYDE, dau 3, born ditto
Martha HYDE, dau 10mo, born ditto
Henry HYDE, brother unm 40, Ag lab, born ditto
HO107 1750 91 22

1861
High St, Buckden
John HYDE, head mar 61, Shepherd, born Hunts, Buckden
Mary HYDE, wife mar 51, born Hunts, Hemingford
Benjamin HYDE, son unm 21, Ag lab, born Hunts, Buckden
Harriet HYDE, dau unm 13, born ditto
Martha HYDE, dau 10, born ditto
Emma HYDE, dau 8, born ditto
RG9 981 145 15

Ian C

[Lucy2]

I found the family indexed under "Cowarey" in the 1841 Census

Hi Loz

Excellent work !!    Well done !     

(Was just about to suggest census look-ups ... so, you're really "on the ball" !    Sorry, have been flat out with other stuff so haven't had time to do look-ups  ... but right back into now).

Well done too, to Ian  ... great census info.   

Just going to read all this new info again ... so I know where I'm at !

Lu

[Lucy2]

AS well as Thomas and Charles coming to NZ - two of their sisters, Martha and Harriet also went to NZ and married there.

Hi Loz

Martha HYDE (sister of Thomas and Charles), appears to be the lady whose marriage features in the PapersPast article (1891) - and where it is mentioned that "her bridesmaids were the two Misses HYDE and two Misses COULDREY - all of different families, but related".
["Observer" - 7 March 1891 - "Clevedon" ]

Marriage

Martha HYDE - Henry Umpton POYNTER - 1891

[He appears to have been a widower (m. Eliza PARKER - 1868 - reg'd. Berkshire)  - a number of children born in NZ. ]

Deaths

Martha POYNTER - not showing up on Hist. online index ? -  but buried with husband at Waikaraka Cem. - she died 27 September 1914 aged 64 (bc 1850).
Henry Umpton POYNTER d. 11 Feb 1918 - 72 yrs. (cem. record
states "d.o.d. - 1928" which is obviously an error).
[Both of Onehunga, Auck. - Probate records at Archives, Auckland.]

Can't find Martha or Harriet on passenger lists to NZ ?
EDIT :   New information July 2009 from will of Eliza HYDE (d. 1931) which names her children, confirms that she didn't in fact have daughters named "Martha and Harriet".   The Martha and Harriet HYDE who appear on the passenger list of the "Excelsior" (arr. Auckland 3/8/1870) along with Charles, Eliza, and children, now appear to be the sisters of Charles HYDE.    (No ages are given on the passenger list to verify this.)

Lu