Evans/James Marr. poss.in Mold

[NOTBIONIC]

Can anyone help untangle one of my ancestors marriage & name problems?
 Price Evans was b.in Mold in 1851- I have his birth cert which states father as Robert Evans -farmer & Ellen (nee James bpt 1826 in Mold as mother.  However the 1841 census gives Ellens name as Eleanor b. Mold. On Price's m. cert the father is given as Richard Evans.
Which names are correct & when (poss late 1840's) & where did they marry(poss Mold)?
Thanks in anticipation

[Lazylover]

Hiya

Unforts I do not have the transcriptions of the Mold PR marriages for the time you need but i do have them for the baptisms....

the only Price EVANS that was baptised in St. Mary's Church Mold between 1844 and 1851 was as follows:

06 June 1851 Price EVANS; Parents: Richard & Elizabeth EVANS; Abode: Mold; Occupation: Farmer

So I have to ask are you sure of the birth certificate? Have you ruled out the birth entry for

Price Evans 1845 Q2 Holywell,27 243

or

Price Evans 1849 Q1 Wrexham,27 303

Also Ellen and Eleanor are often inter-changeable.

Regards

LazyL

[NOTBIONIC]

Hi Lazylover,
 Thanks for your response.
  Your bapt date fits with the DOB from Price's birth cert of 28 Apr 1851.
  Re having the correct Price I think I have as his age on his marr. cert of 25 Dec 1880 is given as 29 which fits with his DOB & your bpt. date.
 However you do throw up another query stating his mother as Elizabeth. The other 2 poss. DOB you suggest do you perchance have the parents names?
Thanks again
Regards
Notbionic

[Lazylover]

Hiya

I don't I'm afraid as I don't have other PRs for that time and Holywell covered a large district. You could ask on the Denbighshire board for the wrexham district....or they could have been non-conformists and you'd have to consult the blackwell index (if it runs for that period)....

sorry I can't be of more assistance


*Modified*

I dont think that the marriage and birth certificates that you have are for the same people. It is quite common for people to lie about their age on the marriage certificate. If you know that the marriage certificate is for the correct person then I'd look again in the census returns for a Price Evans with father Richard and mother Elizabeth....

May I ask who Price married? When i did a quick search on A*****Y there were a couple of Price Evans' in later census' with different spouses and of similar ages.

[NOTBIONIC]

Hi
Price m. Mary Jones in 1880 I have the m. cert (which gives place as Flint Parish Church) & amongst their offspring was my g'father b. Mold.-cert shows these were his parents.
I have looked in the original census returns without luck but some pages are unreadable-some virtually blank pages.
It is mainly the change in christian names on different certs that is causing the problems
Thanks for your time in trying to help me
Regards
Notbionic

[Lazylover]

Hiya

I think then that the birth certificate you have is for the wrong Price Evans and his father was RICHARD EVANS.

I had another look at the the baptism entry and its Richard and ELIZA (not Elizabeth), sorry it was late when I posted last.

There is also a baptism for

Mary EVANS 08 February 1850 Father: Richard Occupation: Farmer Mother: Eliza Abode: Perthybu

I think I have the family on the 1851 Wales census living in Broncoed (a part of Mold as you go out towards Buckley)

Ref: HO107/2501 Folio 393 Page 1

Richard EVANS, Head, Mar, 31, Farmer b. Treuyddn
Eliza EVANS, Wife, Mar, 28 b. Nercwys
William EVANS, Son, 4 b. Mold
John EVANS, Son, 3 b. Mold
Mary EVANS, Dau, 1 b. Mold
Mary Jones, Serv, 18, House Servant b.Mold

But of course your Price wouldn't be on it as he'd not have been born yet! There is another possibility (although admittidly a long-shot as it would have had to have been a later registration)

Edward Price Evans 1852 Q3 Holywell,11b 275

northwalesbmd show it as being a Mold birth and he may have dropped the Edward; apparently it was not uncommon for this to happen.

Northwalesbmd has a marriage of

Richard EVANS and Eliza TYLER occring in 1846 Nercwys

GRO is 1846 Q2 Holywell,27 413

Is this them in 1881 at 17 Alun Bank, Mold Price being a coal miner? Ref: RG11/5507 Folio 51 Page 46

and again in 1891 living on Rhydygaled Road with their four children? Ref: RG12/4609 Folio 116 Page 1

And there is a death entry for Price Evans that would seem to fit age wise

1897 Q4 Holywell,11b 167 Aged 45

Apologies if you have that already!

There is another Price Evans born 1851 Mold married to an Elizabeth on the 1901 Wales Census; I think this is the son of Robert and Ellen / Eleanor Evans thats been confusing things.

I hope this has been of some use, and hasn't added to the confusion.

[NOTBIONIC]

Hi Lazylover
  Many thanks for the time you have spent trying to sort out my "Name Problem"
 I think you have been successful. Your "long shot" I believe is correct-Edward Price b. 1852 Q3 being correct as it fits with the DOD for Price which from his death cert & other info I have I am almost certain is correct. The dropping of the name Edward could be correct as one of his offspring Edward Goronwy was always known as Goronwy.
Yes they were the family at Alun Bank in 1881 & Rhydygalad Rd in 1891.
It would appear the Price b. 1851 poss son of Robert & Ellen has been the cause of all the problems
Once again thanks & it is now on to the next problem but this won't be in Flintshire
Regards
Notbionic

[Lazylover]

Glad to have been able to help.

I have enough troubles with my own Davies line and all the confusion that goes along with it. The houses in Alun Bank must have just been built in 1881, its a lovely quaint little row of terraces although they do tend to get flooded.

LazyL