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Are these images one and the same person?

Both images John
or father and son
or two Brothers

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Re: Help with dating two photographs
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 12 March 09 17:25 GMT (UK) »
more to view angles...noses --- ears--- eyes ?!?!?  etc


two gents on right  definate similarities...

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Re: Help with dating two photographs
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 12 March 09 17:28 GMT (UK) »
in fact on closer inspection the eyes of the clean shaven gent and tom ...left eye is identical....

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Re: Help with dating two photographs
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 12 March 09 18:04 GMT (UK) »
Both CdV's are scanned in their entirety

Maybe they were scanned in their entirety, but the outer edges/corners have been cropped off as posted.
Moore/Paterson~Montreal
Moore/Addison~New Brunswick
Jubb/Kerr~Mirfield~Halifax~Moffatt
Williams~Dolwyddelan

King~Bedfordshire~Hull
Jenkins~Somerset
Sellers~Hull

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Re: Help with dating two photographs
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 12 March 09 18:42 GMT (UK) »
Although there's not much detail the fact that in the 1st. photo the man has a
turned down collar would date this early 1860's at the earliest.
1st. & 2nd. photo are the same man 10-15 years apart in my view.

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Re: Help with dating two photographs
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 12 March 09 18:52 GMT (UK) »
Thank you once again Xinia for this, being able to view the subjects side by side, does make it a whole lot easier to be able to compare the images.

These CdV's came from a distant cousin [a descendant of Joseph KENDALL] they were both labelled as John, but I did not think they were the same person. IF they were both John I would have said the clean shaven image would have been the younger man and the bearded one when he was older. As the clean shaven one was taken post 1873 [from the second premises listed] and John died in 1875 it does rule out this possibility.

Their are similarities between the known image of Tom and the London CdV are very apparent. I did know that Tom's lady love requested he shaved off his beard then she would accept his marriage proposal [Though the two did not marry an Tom was later sued for breach of promise.]

I am little uneasy as to the suggested date the photograph was taken and the London CdV is feint [seems a poorer image] so could this in fact be father and son and the London CdV a copy of an earlier image of John, perhaps as someone has suggested a memoriam.

So who could the Hull image be, if not John? This could make my 3rd option possible a photograph of brother George. I do know that the sibling Joseph was closest to was his brother George who lived in Hull in 1890. I do think both are KENDALL'S the images below are of known siblings many of whom inherited their mothers long faces and dark eyes,

The Hull CdV has slightly rounded corners where as the London CdV corners are square.   
BOCOCK:-Lincs
BORRILL;-  Hull (occ Bakers) & Grimsby
CLARVIS:- Any
KENDALL:-N.Lincs, Hull (1860+) esp Primitive Methodist's

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Re: Help with dating two photographs
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 12 March 09 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Square corners, pre-1875 or so, rounded corners thereafter until about 1900.
Moore/Paterson~Montreal
Moore/Addison~New Brunswick
Jubb/Kerr~Mirfield~Halifax~Moffatt
Williams~Dolwyddelan

King~Bedfordshire~Hull
Jenkins~Somerset
Sellers~Hull

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Re: Help with dating two photographs
« Reply #15 on: Friday 13 March 09 19:40 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all the wonderful responses; I just want to surmise the comments so far

The London CdV [clean shaven] with squared corners dates it around 1872-1879 [period of introduction of rounded corners] and H.L. Henderson premises at Amersham Road were from 1873. I am assuming the negative numbers are sequential so CdV produced before 1878. So this places the card between the dates 1873-1878. Though many think this is a reprint of an earlier card [from style of clothing etc] so could fit as a memoriam to John who died in 1875 made by his son Tom in London [and hence the likeness between the two]

Where as the Hull CdV [Bearded] with rounded corners dates from around the transition period 1872-1879 [or just after] this fits in with the photographer dates. James Walker moved to Hull after 1865 and disappears before the 1891 census. Most agree that the two CdV are not of the same person. But as the bearded gent has similar characteristics to the known KENDALL siblings and George [as well as John] lived in Hull and died in 1890, he could well be the subject in the Hull CdV.
BOCOCK:-Lincs
BORRILL;-  Hull (occ Bakers) & Grimsby
CLARVIS:- Any
KENDALL:-N.Lincs, Hull (1860+) esp Primitive Methodist's

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Re: Help with dating two photographs
« Reply #16 on: Friday 14 February 14 00:53 GMT (UK) »
My husband inherited photographs from his family who originated in England. I have an original photo the exact same one of the man in the second photo. His family surname is Cresswell. There is no name on the photo. On the back is James Walker Anlaby Road (opposite Hengler's Cirque) Hull. William Cresswell born-abt. 1807 came to the US around 1842 to Waterford, Saratoga, New York, then ended up in Saginaw, Michigan. I always assumed the photo was of a Cresswell family member, perhaps Williams father.

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Re: Help with dating two photographs
« Reply #17 on: Friday 14 February 14 07:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Becky

What area of England did your husband ancestors come from, do you know what trade he had?

The 2nd photo we believe is George KENDALL, he was in North Lincolnshire till 1848 then after this date he moved to Hull.

Maria
BOCOCK:-Lincs
BORRILL;-  Hull (occ Bakers) & Grimsby
CLARVIS:- Any
KENDALL:-N.Lincs, Hull (1860+) esp Primitive Methodist's