Help with dating two photographs

[Mborrill]

Dear All
          I was very fortunate at the weekend when a distant cousin emailed me about 50 labelled family photographs and carte de visite, However two of the Cdv which are labelled as John KENDALL had me wondering if they are the same person, or father and son, or another possibility is that of two brothers as John's sibling also ended up in Hull.

John was born 1815 died in 1875 in Hull

Tom Dennis son of John was born 1841 died 1881 in London

George was born 1826 died 1890 Hull.

I have done some background research on the photographers

James Walker is in the White’s 1882 Hull directory on Anlaby Road, but not in the 1892 Bulmer's Gazetteer
In 1861 he was living in Doncaster Occupation Photographer, he moves to Hull before the 1871 census Percy Street Sculcoates

James Walker 38 [1834] Artist & Photographer S. Norton Lincolnshire
Mary M Walker 35 [1836] Ranskill Notts
Martha Brooks 45   
 
Another researcher has a photograph whose address and mount same as mine [dated Nov 1875}

By the 1881 census James is living in Reagent Street Hull

James Walker 47 [1834] Artist & Photographer South Reston Lincolnshire
Mary Millson Walker 45
Jane Goodwin 31 Assistant
James Walker 5 visitor

I can not locate James or Mary on the 1891 census moved away or died?

This image if John does look very much like that of know one of his brothers and their generation of dress and long beards and clean shaven around the mouth.

AL Henderson
Alexander Lamont Henderson traded as a photographer from 49 King William Street, London Bridge from 1860 to November 1887/88 and from 3 Amersham Road New Cross from 3 January 1873 to November 1887.
If the negatives are listed in numerical order then this photograph lies between the dates of C1870
A.L.Henderson, 49 King William Street, London Bridge. E.C. and at Amersham Road, New Cross [London]. No. 107473
See http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~victorianphotographs/dated/dated.htm
And this one dated C1878 A.L.Henderson, 49 King William Street, London Bridge. E.C. and at Amersham No. 37459 (medals 1874, 1876) [schoolboy c. 1878]
See http://www.users.waitrose.com/~victorian/album/hendb.jpg

Photography catalogue http://erps.dmu.ac.uk/exhibitor_details.php?year=1904&efn=A.+L.+Henderson

It would suggest the London photo had to be taken in John’s last two years of life 1873-75, BUT he is much plumper and I think he looks younger on this too, so more support that it is Tom and not John and although father and son the ‘naming’ of the photograph has been become mixed up over time.

The photographs can be seen front/back and a younger known photograph of Tom at
http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/MBorrill/Kendall%20Brothers/

Where I have uploaded the photographs to this site. I wouldn't mind some thoughts and opinions as to my theory/research.

[Finley 1]

not the same person... as far as I can see... different eyes and ears  cant see the chin.. so not sure about that.

xin

afterlooking at the photobucket pic....the chap on the left ...is definately Tom  (in my opinion)

[Mborrill]

Thanks for your opinion and lining them up side by side it makes them much easier to compare.

Maria

[Joyful]

It appears that the nose and lips are different as well

Joy

[willow154]

Hi Mborrill.
I can see you've worked really hard in trying to find out who these gentlemen are!
I personally don't think they are the same person - they have quite different features.
It's the outfits that are baffling me - the dates you have for the photographers, which I know you have researched very carefully, don't in my opinion seem to go with the styles of the outfits, which seem much earlier (I suppose we don't all keep up with fashions though) - but then I am a novice at all this.
Hoping someone, like OR, comes to our aid - I don't know of anyone better qualified on rootschat to help you with this one.
Kind regards,
Paulene

[jim1]

The clothes style of the bearded gent suggests 1870's as does the 3/4 length pose.
The other looks earlier,possibly 1860's and maybe be a later reprint.

jim

[chinakay]

Hi, it might help a bit if we could see the corners of the photo mounts...hard to believe but even these can be a clue about the date

I'm thinking along the lines of Jim that the oval portrait is a reprint. Memorial photos were often made from an older negative after a person had died, so copies could be given to family and perhaps friends. This could be one of those...especially if the apparent date ties in with the known date of the subject's death.

Cheers,
China

[Mborrill]

xinia did such a good job combining the two images can anyone add in the one of Tom Dennis KENDALL. I think he looks very much like the clean shaven gent [ with some slight differences] so father and son combo.

A little more on the KENDALL'S John's main occupation was a licensed victualler [who ran a couple of hansom's on the side] brother George was a hansom cabman all his life and Tom Dennis was a journalist.

I definitely know the bearded gent is a KENDALL but I also think the clean shaven gent is to as they share similarities with known photographs of KENDALL siblings. I will put a montage together to show you all

[Mborrill]

Both CdV's are scanned in their entirety