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uniform identification boar war or world war 1???
« on: Monday 09 March 09 18:42 GMT (UK) »
I'm wondering if anyone could identify whether this is a picture from the boar war or from world war 1???  The picture was taken in Otley.

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Tricia

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Re: uniform identification boar war or world war 1???
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 March 09 19:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tricia

It certainly isn't Boer War. In 1920 the RA lanyard was moved to the right shoulder, and no one is wearing overseas service chevrons - introduced in 1918. So before 1918 is as close as I can get.

No one seems to be wearing the economy tunic that did away with pocket pleats - introduced in 1915, but I believe the RA had stocks of the old pattern, so that cannot be relied upon. Although there are some non-RA regiments there as well.

Maybe someone in the Photo Restore section can tell you something about the photographer

Just noticed the two young men dead centre - second and third row. The one on the second row may be wearing a medal ribbon, and the other may have something on his left sleeve, above the cuff. Any chance you can scan these areas again at a higher resolution?

The Corporal standing far left may have a star on his cuff for long service in the Militia/Special Reserve. Again more pixels are needed.

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Re: uniform identification boar war or world war 1???
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 March 09 20:40 GMT (UK) »
This is when you wish you could read the shoulder titles!!

I can make out "T RFA....." and T RAMC..." but as to where ....oooh errr!

Any time between 1908/9 and 1915...I agree that I can make out no post 1915 jackets either!

Just wish they had some belts, webbing or something else to date it.

It could be either a Summer Camp, with their RAMC medic, and a trumpeter...(not a bugle, as they must be mounted...A cavalry trumpet)

I can't make out a medal ribbon, but I can make out a gun layers trade badge, and a Regt Signaler.
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Re: uniform identification boar war or world war 1???
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 March 09 21:50 GMT (UK) »
As far as T-RFA goes, pre-WW1, the 4th West Riding (Howitzer) Brigade Headquarters and 10th West Riding (Howitzer) Battery were based in Otley.
The 11th Battery was at Burley in Wharfdale and the 4th West Riding Ammunition Column at Ilkley.

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Re: uniform identification boar war or world war 1???
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 18 March 09 23:59 GMT (UK) »
The "T" before the RFA and RAMC could possibly indicate "Territorials"? If so, then they would have most probably ended up in the 49th (West Riding) Division which if my memory serves me correct was a Territorial Division.

If so then this is their formation during the war:

4th West Riding (Howitzer) Brigade. Numbered CCXLVIII May 1916.

1/10th West Riding (Howitzer) Bty. 04 Aug 1914 - 01 May 1916. To the CCXLVI Brigade where it became D (Howitzer) Bty.[/u]

1/11th West Riding (Howitzer) Bty. 04 Aug 1914 - 21 May 1916. To the CCXLV Brigade where it became D (Howitzer) Bty.
D (Howitzer) Bty. 16 Feb 1916 - 13 May 1916. To the CCXLVII Brigade.

CCXLVIII Brigade. Broken up 18 Oct 1916.

A Bty. (From CCXLV Bde). 21 May 1916 - 18 Oct 1916. To the CCXLV Brigade where it became C Bty.
B Bty. (From CCXLVI Bde). 01 May 1916 - 18 Oct 1916. To the CCXLVI Brigade where it became C Bty.
C Bty. (From CCXLVII Bde). 13 May 1916 - 18 Oct 1916. Broken up, one section with A Bty to the CCXLV Brigade, and one section with B Bty to the CCXLVI Brigade.

Also, at the outbreak their bases were given as:

10th West Riding (Howitzer) Bty. (Territorial Force). 04 Aug 1914 at Otley in the 4th West Riding (Howitzer) Brigade, West Riding Division (49th Div).

11th West Riding (Howitzer) Bty. (Territorial Force). 04 Aug 1914 at Ilkley in the 4th West Riding (Howitzer) Brigade, West Riding Division (49th Div).

The total losses for the war for the 10th were 81 killed or missing and 231 wounded and the 11th 42 killed or missing and 188 wounded.

Hope this helps

David
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Re: uniform identification boar war or world war 1???
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 19 March 09 00:40 GMT (UK) »
The T above a shoulder title (indeed attached to it !) always signifies Territorial... ;)
One more charge and then be dumb,
            When the forts of Folly fall,
        May the victors when they come
            Find my body near the wall.