Lost Penny children (Ontario?)

[LockeLad]

Very many thanks for your efforts. A wealth of information about two great uncles and their spouses! By the way, a family letter dated 1955 says that Albert was married twice.

[cosmac]

http://www.evendon.net/PGHLookups/DirM.htm

On the right hand side of this page are some Directories for Ontario.  There is one for 1922 Hamilton which might be helpful.

Debbie

[LemonMallie]

Checking on findmypast, there is a possible match with an Albert R. Penny, a farmer, aged 26, on board the Ultonia.  It sailed from Southampton on 23 April 1912 and was bound for Quebec.  The destination is only listed as Canada but the incoming passenger list shows he was headed for Hamilton, Ontario.  Occupation in England, milkman? hard to read.  You can view the Canadian list here:

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e243/e006071946.jpg

I can't find any of the others though....

Lynwen

[LockeLad]

Thank you Debbie for directories and Lynwen for more on Albert.

Concerning Alice Clara Penny: in a letter (1955) she says that her husband, Will Craig, was born and raised in Scotland and went to Canada in 1910, stayed 3 years and then went home to see his folks, came back to Canada as a farmer and made it his home. He made a further trip to see his father, presumably to Scotland. The letter of 1995 was sent, though, from 208C East Maple Street, Glendale, 5, California! She also gives her age as 60 on 3 August 1954 with Allan being 19 and Alma 15 on her birthday. The 1911 census entry (found by Debbie) gives that Clara's birthdate as June 1894 so she seems to be a different Clara Penny.
The younger children are still a bit of a mystery. My thought was that they may have been sent sent to Canada as Home Children but I couldn't find any evidence.

[cosmac]

Some of the names that you give as being Penny brothers killed in WWI don't show up when searching for those who joined the CEF.  I can pull up some of the same names but they show relatives, such as mother, with a Canadian address or state they were born in Canada.  Did they perhaps return to Britain and join a regiment there?

The Clara you are looking for was born 1894 using the dates on your letter.  The 1911 census record might not be her but don't discount it on the basis of the months being off by 2 or 3.  Census figures can be very accurate and also very inaccurate.  I have a family of 3, 2 girls, 1 boy with birth years of 1883, 1886 and 1890.  Both girls claim the later birth year in various census records and on marriage records.  On death one of the sisters' grave marker has her birth year as her brothers.  Dates in family history seem to take on a life of their own and flexibility seems to be very important.

Debbie

[LockeLad]

Thanks Debbie, about ages,

In summary I located, as possibilities for WW1 soldiers:

a) Name: Edwin Penny Birth Place: Glastonbury, Som. Residence: Devizes, Wilts Death Date: 4 May 1915 Enlistment Location: Yeovil, Som. Rank: Private Regiment: Dorsetshire Regiment Battalion: 1st Battalion. Number: 7338 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theater of War: Aldershot

b) Ernest Reginald Penny Birth Place: Yeovil Residence: Pontypridd Death Date: 23 Apr 1917 Enlistment Location: Treforest, Glam. Rank: A/Corporal Regiment: Devonshire Regiment Battalion: 1st Battalion. Number: 9933 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theater of War: Aldershot

but nothing for Silas Walter Penny or Reginald or Frank (gassed)

[Jacquie in Canada]

Is it possible that Reginald died after the war rather than during? If you have access to Ancestry, there is a Reginald Albert Penny listed in the British Army WWI Pension Records database. His address on the attestation papers is Lovington Castle Curry, Somerset and his next of kin is listed as Rowland Penny (may be a coincidence). It says he was discharged in 1915 for no longer being physically fit for service. He was with the West Somerset Yeomanry.

Jacquie

[cosmac]

http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=13826&highlight=22&desc=1911+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Fred+W+Creig

Do you know where Wilfred Craig went to in Canada.  A possibility in Alberta.  His immigration year is 1907 and place of birth Scotland.  Wilfred could be shortened to Fred.  Employed as a storekeeper.


Debbie

[cosmac]

Looking at FreeBMD you find Alma Clara born Sept 1895 Yeovil.  Was it Alice or Alma Clara Penny?  I notice that one of Alice's daughters was Alma.

Adelina Bessie married Dec 1908 Yeovil to Arthur Oliver Tucker.  There is also a marriage Sep 1915 Yeovil for Alice Penny to Alfred Tucker.  Any possibility that Alice might have been the one that married twice rather than her brother Albert?

Edwin was definitely in Canada and then it appears he travelled back to England to enlist.  Have you tried searching the Penny name coming back into the UK?  I don't have access to those particular records.

Debbie