Look up please - HELM Eliza SA COMPLETED

[MatildaFlorence]

I wonder if John (Lewis) Owens appears on Hampshire census for 1851/1861? It's a long shot but he was born around 1851.

[MatildaFlorence]

A 'married in' researcher of another branch has just told me that in her family records, Eliza appears as 'Elizabeth Cunningham Helm'.

I wonder if this helps or confuses? Fingers crossed there is an Eliza(beth) Cunningham Helm in some SA records. Maybe she even appears as Cunningham somewhere, although previous search may have looked for that any way.

[tropicalj]

Did you get  a copy of one of  the children born in Qld ie your Violet born 1886

If so are you certain  the births in Victoria are the same couple as  the four birth in Queensland?

Henry OWEN born 1877 Victoria
Luke OWEN  born 1879 Victoria died Victoria 1880
Rosina Owen born 1882 Victoria
Violet Owens born 1886 Queensland
James John Owens born 1888 Queensland died 1891 in Queensland
Augustus Owens born 1893 Queensland
Eliza Rebecca Owens born 1898 Queensland

Jenn

[MatildaFlorence]

Yes, we're sure it's the same family, they all ended up here together.
Thanks

[cando]

Wonder if John OWEN/s was the husband's correct name?  There are no births in South Australia or Victoria to Timothy DONOVAN and Eliza HELM [with father William HELM] who married in South Australia in Nov 1876.  Could HELM be HOLM

Would you ask your contact for any reference numbers [ie Book and Page]for the South Australian information for Elizabeth Cunningham HELM.  My marriage search was only for groom's surname 'o' and bride's given name 'e' 1876 so eliza/elizabeth's surname didn't enter the search at all.

A comparison of the bride's signature on the DONOVAN/HELM marriage reg and a later signature of your Eliza HELM may be interesting.

Would be interesting to look at ALL the available signatures of John Lewis OWEN/S to see how often the 's' appeared on the name.  I note in Victoria the name is OWEN but in Qld OWENS.  Have you any Qld certificates?

Cando

[MatildaFlorence]

I have had the same suspicions about Donovan/Helm since I heard there was a marriage in SA. Eliza still has grandchildren living, however, and they have not mentioned this to me; although this does not mean it is not so.

Helm could easily be Holm, I guess, or could have been transcribed mispelt as Holm, Holmes, Hellem, etc. The only thing is, on every single birth index and record her name is given as the same, Eliza Helm. Even when John is 'Owen', she is Helm. She is the signatory on birth entries so gave her own info (obv she signs as Owens). Also, her name was known in the family as Helm, even before we started shaking the family tree.

Can I post a copy of her signature up here? Is that allowed 

[cando]

I only mentioned Eliza's signature as it is one way of finding if the DONOVAN/HELM marriage in SA was relevant. 

See what supporting evidence your family contact has about the Elizabeth Cunningham HELM in SA records....I can see no evidence in the indexes or  BISA but have found a passenger record on GRG 35/48/1 Official Assisted Passage Passenger Lists 1845 – 1886.
              
HELM Eliza        1876     
Sequence 76/30        
Book 21

Lady Jocelyn     Arrived Pt Adelaide from Plymouth on 11 Oct 1876

So if it is her how could she have married on 11 July 1876

Cheers
Cando            

[MatildaFlorence]

Thank you Cando, that's wonderful. Much good genealogical luck to you. 

[krisesjoint]

Hi kelmark,

No problem posting a small section of a cert for clarification purposes. Posting of an entire certificate is nor permitted.

I must apologise re Helm Donovan marriage. I said Timothy - it is in fact James - father Timothy

DONOVAN James 22 single father Timothy DONAVAN= HELM Eliza 21 single father William HELM 13 Nov 1876 St Paul Church Adelaide Dist Ade 109/444

Cheers Kris