Sutherlands in Christchurch 1860 +?

[Gwenn02]

Maybe it can be interesting to see where the KEATING (John and Isabella) were living in Napier (will check electoral roll tomorrow and keep you posted .. If I find exact adress can even take a pic when going to Napier in few month time)

Banshee where is suppose to be ?

I will check the school roll in Napier for the kids  also (can access to that at my city library )

[Gwenn02]

Ruthel,

What about BANSHA, County of Tipperary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bansha

[Gwenn02]

i found that ... it might not be him but birthdate is close and the mention of emigration is interesting

Ireland, The Royal Irish Constabulary 1816-1921
about Keating, John
Name: Keating, John
Birth Date/Age: 20 
Birthplace: Tipperary 
Marriage or Comments: EMIGRATED 
Enlisted: 1856
Film #: 856062 
Page #: 114 
 

[Gwenn02]

Do you have a transcript or a copy of the original document (death certificate)  ?

Because I've been turning around this name in my mind and did some research ... there is in Scotland a village call Latheron (called also Latheronwheel) .. A mistranscript of the L and the name can give Cawthronshire. It's maybe a long shot ....


Latheron, par. and fishing vil., S. Caithness - par., 119,539 ac., pop. 6675; vil. (called also Latheronwheel and Janetstown), at mouth of Latheronwheel Burn, 18 miles SW. of Wick and 19 miles NE. of Helmsdale; P.O.; in vicinity is Latheronwheel House, seat

Some details match information we know - all the marriage information is consistent with the marriage certificate, and both death and marriage certificates point to her having been born in 1845
But there are some difficulties - for a start, this one is Louisa Isabella, not just Isabella.  Her parents are McKenzie rather than Sutherland while her marriage cert to John Keating says she is a spinster. And even google doesn't know what Cawthronshire is!

The death cert indicates she arrived in NZ in 1866/67 aged 22 so she would have arrived just before she married John Keating

As for the children information, NZ BDM website has Frederick born to John and Louise Isabella Keating in 1876 (the 8 yo on the death cert?) and Isabella Jessie born to John and Isabella Keating in 1881 (the 2 yo on the death cert?) and also has Ellen in 1869. But no other likely ones I think.

Ruth

[ruthel]

hi Gwenn

I think your suggestion of Bansha Tipperary for John Keating's birthplace is inspired!

For both Isabella and John KEATING I have the transcript death certificates issued by NZ BD&M.  Is it worth finding someone to look at the microfiches (I'm in Sydney, presumably the microfiches are in Wullington?)  I have other certificates with errors on (eg obvious ones like 1969 instead of 1869 ) so maybe there's a typo?  In your experience, do the microfiches have more detail than on the transcript?

Regarding Isabella's maiden surname, I have also just noticed that on Ellen Keating's birth certificate (again, a transcript) her mother's name is listed as Isabella KEATING nee JONES .  Not SUTHERLAND or MCKENZIE!

Perhaps it would be good to see the original microfiches for
Death Registration Number 1884/2380 - Louisa Isabella KEATING, 11 July 1884
Birth Registration Number 1869/5079 - Ellen KEATING, 8 December 1869
Marriage Registration Number 1867/4300 - Isabella SUTHERLAND and John KEATING
Death Registration Number 1905/7080 - John KEATING, 7 December 1905

Ruth

[ruthel]

I have found a couple of possibilities for John KEATING arriving in NZ - a J Keating arrived in Auckland on vessel Breadalbane on 17 March 1862 and another J Keating arrived in Auckland on 27 June 1861 on vessel Constance.  Could he have moved south for the gold?

Are NZ passenger lists online? 

[Gwenn02]

Yes some of NZ passenger lists are online
I did have few findings this afternoon at the library with electoral rolls . Will come back to you later today.

I have found a couple of possibilities for John KEATING arriving in NZ - a J Keating arrived in Auckland on vessel Breadalbane on 17 March 1862 and another J Keating arrived in Auckland on 27 June 1861 on vessel Constance.  Could he have moved south for the gold?

Are NZ passenger lists online? 

[Gwenn02]

In her marriage certificate  with Philip JONES,  Mary Ann McPike was listed at Mary Ann Woodward, widow (Woodward was the surname of her 1st husband) .... so I'm not surprised with few 'fantasy' about people naming especially in this early time in NZ
It's a shame NZ BDM issue transcripts (which are sometime full of mispellings)

I'm not in Wellington but I might try to ask for a look up on this forum (and might order certificate at last ressort because they are very expensives)

hi Gwenn

I think your suggestion of Bansha Tipperary for John Keating's birthplace is inspired!

For both Isabella and John KEATING I have the transcript death certificates issued by NZ BD&M.  Is it worth finding someone to look at the microfiches (I'm in Sydney, presumably the microfiches are in Wullington?)  I have other certificates with errors on (eg obvious ones like 1969 instead of 1869 ) so maybe there's a typo?  In your experience, do the microfiches have more detail than on the transcript?

Regarding Isabella's maiden surname, I have also just noticed that on Ellen Keating's birth certificate (again, a transcript) her mother's name is listed as Isabella KEATING nee JONES .  Not SUTHERLAND or MCKENZIE!

Perhaps it would be good to see the original microfiches for
Death Registration Number 1884/2380 - Louisa Isabella KEATING, 11 July 1884
Birth Registration Number 1869/5079 - Ellen KEATING, 8 December 1869
Marriage Registration Number 1867/4300 - Isabella SUTHERLAND and John KEATING
Death Registration Number 1905/7080 - John KEATING, 7 December 1905

Ruth

[Gwenn02]

Hang on .. !!!! in re-reading the early posts of this topic ... i realise that Tiffanney speaks about Latheron and Sutherland .... !!!!!


 

Do you have a transcript or a copy of the original document (death certificate) ?

Because I've been turning around this name in my mind and did some research ... there is in Scotland a village call Latheron (called also Latheronwheel) .. A mistranscript of the L and the name can give Cawthronshire. It's maybe a long shot ....


Latheron, par. and fishing vil., S. Caithness - par., 119,539 ac., pop. 6675; vil. (called also Latheronwheel and Janetstown), at mouth of Latheronwheel Burn, 18 miles SW. of Wick and 19 miles NE. of Helmsdale; P.O.; in vicinity is Latheronwheel House, seat

Some details match information we know - all the marriage information is consistent with the marriage certificate, and both death and marriage certificates point to her having been born in 1845
But there are some difficulties - for a start, this one is Louisa Isabella, not just Isabella.  Her parents are McKenzie rather than Sutherland while her marriage cert to John Keating says she is a spinster. And even google doesn't know what Cawthronshire is!

The death cert indicates she arrived in NZ in 1866/67 aged 22 so she would have arrived just before she married John Keating

As for the children information, NZ BDM website has Frederick born to John and Louise Isabella Keating in 1876 (the 8 yo on the death cert?) and Isabella Jessie born to John and Isabella Keating in 1881 (the 2 yo on the death cert?) and also has Ellen in 1869. But no other likely ones I think.

Ruth