Sutherlands in Christchurch 1860 +?

[Tiffaney]

Hi again Bper,

Sorry I have only now seen your posting.  I haven't been able to find our more on my Sutherlands as very rarely get into Christchurch & when I do it always a mad rush.
On my Christina's death cert it had her parents as Wm & Christina Sutherland nee Sutherland.  Must pursue your Elizabeth when I eventually go to ChCh library...ours could possibly be connected.  I have a few Sutherlands plus what I know of my own on my Ancestral forum.
regards,
Tiffaney

[ruthel]

William and Ellen Maria (nee Keating) JONES are my husband's great grandparents also, he is descended from their son Stanley Gordon

Do you have any information on Ellen Maria's parents - particularly how they came to be in Christcharch and where they came from before that?

[Gwenn02]

I didn't know Stanley had descent
You might be related to my husband then..(William and Maria are also my husband great grandparents,  he descends from Maria and William JONES via Norman Harding
UNfortunately I haven't any information on Ellen Maria parents ... only that
Sutherland is a scottish name .. do you have Ellen Maria Sutherland and John Keating marriage certificate ? .. I only know (thanks to NZ BDM + index from city library that marriage date is : 8/01/1867
 

William and Ellen Maria (nee Keating) JONES are my husband's great grandparents also, he is descended from their son Stanley Gordon

Do you have any information on Ellen Maria's parents - particularly how they came to be in Christcharch and where they came from before that?

[ruthel]

Oh yes, there are descendants! Stanley Gordon Jones married an English woman, Nellie Harris, in Islington (London) on 21-9-1918 , while he was serving with the 2nd Battalion Otago Infantry. He fought at Gallipoli and in France (where he lost a leg).  The family has a diary he kept for some of that time.  Nellie and Stanley settled in Wellington after Stanley was discharged in 1919 and had two children - Gordon Hastings Jones and Catherine Olga (known as Kitty) - both of whom are now deceased.   Gordon had 2 sons (including my husband) and 4 grandchildren, and Kitty had a son and 2 grandchildren. 

Ellen Maria (nee KEATING) and William Hastings JONES were married in the Registrar's Office in Wellington on 9 April 1889.  They had 4 sons and a daughter - Alfred William in 1889, Arthur Phillip in 1889, Stanley Gordon in 1894, Norman Harding in 1897 (so yes my husband and your's are distantly related) and Alice Amelia Caroline in 1901.  They then adopted Bertha Elizabeth - she didn't marry and only died in 1994 aged 88, and was very much a part of my husband's family as he grew up. All of these children were still alive when Ellen Maria died in 1935, as they are listed on her death certificate.
 
Ellen Maria Keating's parents were Isabella (nee SUTHERLAND) and John KEATING.  She was born on 8 December 1869 at Rangiroa and died in Invercargill on 28 April 1935 of a heart attack.    William Hastings JONES' parents were Mary (nee McPike or McPeak) and Philip JONES.  He was born at Inglewood in Victoria Australia and died on 2 January 1921 at Invercargill aged 58 and having been in NZ for 56 years. 

That's all I know at this stage, but of course I'll keep posting here if I find more.

[Gwenn02]

I can see the 'pattern' of using Hastings as middle name has been kept (do you know it was initiate by Mary Ann JONES (born McPike) in memory of her mother maiden name )
My husband middle name is also Hastings
I have a copy of Philip Jones and Mary Ann McPike marriage certificate + copy of her passenger list entry when she came in Australia

Thanks so much for the information you gave me ... I did have only partial info re. Keatings, Sutherland, McPike   but no details

Re- Philip Jones  (Mary Ann McPike husband) I have a different information : there is indeed a Philip Jones born in Inglewood (Philip James JONES born 13/01/1861 Inglewood)   his father was   Philip Jones  born in in Monmouthsire, Wales circa 1831)  and his parents were Philip Jones and Ann Watkins, farmers, Monmouthsire, Abvergavenny

Do not hesitate if you have any other question about other branches of Jones family ..

Oh yes, there are descendants! Stanley Gordon Jones married an English woman, Nellie Harris, in Islington (London) on 21-9-1918 , while he was serving with the 2nd Battalion Otago Infantry. He fought at Gallipoli and in France (where he lost a leg).  The family has a diary he kept for some of that time.  Nellie and Stanley settled in Wellington after Stanley was discharged in 1919 and had two children - Gordon Hastings Jones and Catherine Olga (known as Kitty) - both of whom are now deceased.   Gordon had 2 sons (including my husband) and 4 grandchildren, and Kitty had a son and 2 grandchildren. 

Ellen Maria (nee KEATING) and William Hastings JONES were married in the Registrar's Office in Wellington on 9 April 1889.  They had 4 sons and a daughter - Alfred William in 1889, Arthur Phillip in 1889, Stanley Gordon in 1894, Norman Harding in 1897 (so yes my husband and your's are distantly related) and Alice Amelia Caroline in 1901.  They then adopted Bertha Elizabeth - she didn't marry and only died in 1994 aged 88, and was very much a part of my husband's family as he grew up. All of these children were still alive when Ellen Maria died in 1935, as they are listed on her death certificate.
 
Ellen Maria Keating's parents were Isabella (nee SUTHERLAND) and John KEATING.  She was born on 8 December 1869 at Rangiroa and died in Invercargill on 28 April 1935 of a heart attack.    William Hastings JONES' parents were Mary (nee McPike or McPeak) and Philip JONES.  He was born at Inglewood in Victoria Australia and died on 2 January 1921 at Invercargill aged 58 and having been in NZ for 56 years. 

That's all I know at this stage, but of course I'll keep posting here if I find more.

[ruthel]

oooh this is exciting, that you have this information!  (I've never used something like rootschat before, saves a lot of time doesn't it!)  And I've only just started looking at my husband's family so any information you have is fantastic

Can you tell me where and when Philip Jones and Mary Ann Pike were married?  And shipping details please?

Maybe I wasn't clear earlier - I agree it's William Hastings Jones who was born at Inglewood in around 1863, maybe the Philip born in 1861 was his brother.  I didn't know about Monmouthshire etc.  Do you know any more about the Jones side?

We've lost the Hastings as a middle name from my husband's generation, but have  some history of using the mother's maiden name - I always thought that was a Scottish tradition.

[Gwenn02]

Philip Jones and Mary Ann McPike (Woodward on the marriage certificate because she was widow of Isaac Woodward) married  10 april 1860 at Pleasant Creek, Victoria, Australi. Mary Ann was 7 month pregnant when her husband died (from a horse accident) , so she had a boy, Henry Isaac Woodward. From  Mary Ann and Philip marriage there were 6 children : Philip James (born 1861, Inglewood); William Hastings born 1864 Southland, Albert Hastings born 1867, Edward Hastings born circa 1868, Alfred Hastings born  1871, and Amelia Caroline born 1876

shipping details for Mary Ann
Mary Ann McPike arrived on the ship Truro in Victoria in January 1854. The page number is 372, book 9

Truro"
Mary A MCPIKE 23
Occ: Dom Servant
From Middlesex
Religion CofE  (Church of England)
Could Read & Write
Indenture: Mr Attenborough George St Collingwood. Wage: 30 Tenure: 1mth With rations.

 

oooh this is exciting, that you have this information!  (I've never used something like rootschat before, saves a lot of time doesn't it!)  And I've only just started looking at my husband's family so any information you have is fantastic

Can you tell me where and when Philip Jones and Mary Ann Pike were married?  And shipping details please?

Maybe I wasn't clear earlier - I agree it's William Hastings Jones who was born at Inglewood in around 1863, maybe the Philip born in 1861 was his brother.  I didn't know about Monmouthshire etc.  Do you know any more about the Jones side?

We've lost the Hastings as a middle name from my husband's generation, but have  some history of using the mother's maiden name - I always thought that was a Scottish tradition.

[ruthel]

Thank you so much for this, Gwenn.  I'm curious that you say William Hastings was born Southland, as his death certificate says he was born in Inglewood but lived 56 of his 58 years in NZ.  And do you have any ideas about why the family would have left Victoria for NZ?  (Mary Ann had quite an eventful life!)

[Gwenn02]

Yes I can answer to that ... ...It was the Gold Rush ...
In Australia Mary Ann and Philip had a business .. groceries/accomodation/food and was providing for the miner near the mining field  (Philip was manslaughter/butcher by trade) . At the time they left for new zealand (1863) it was the gold rush in NZ and they settled near the Mataura diggings in the south island and after in Menzies Ferry where they had an hotel near the ferry on the Mataura river

... I have plenty of info about this time...


 

Thank you so much for this, Gwenn.  I'm curious that you say William Hastings was born Southland, as his death certificate says he was born in Inglewood but lived 56 of his 58 years in NZ.  And do you have any ideas about why the family would have left Victoria for NZ?  (Mary Ann had quite an eventful life!)