McSheffrey Estate Drumaville, Co Donegal

[GRACELANDS]

Does anyone know how I can find out about this estate and why land was sold off. My Great Grandfather Henry Patrick Mcloughlin bought some land from this estate  in Drumaville, divison of Culdaff Donegal in 1915.  I do not know how he got funds but on the deeds I think it says he had an occupation as rate collector , but I am not sure if I am reading the document correctly.

Thanks for any help

[shanew147]

the sale might be connected to the Irish Land Commission -

many estates were split up an sold off in the late 1800s/early 1900s

see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Land_Commission



Shane

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
   Shane is probably correct. To give an example my Ggrandfather rented a House, Offices and about 50 acres of land in Co Londonderry and paid rent of £35 annually. In 1887, according to a Land Commission document, he bought this land with a government mortgage of £705 repayable over 49 years at an interest rate of three and one eighth percent.

Regards

[AnneMc]

Hello Gracelands:

I just noticed your message heading.. As my husband is a McSheffrey, his great grandfather came from Donegal in 1850 to settle in the provice of Quebec.  Do you have any idea which McSheffrey owned the land?  McSheffrey is not a very common name here and just about any with that Surname in Canada is related to my husband.

Cheers
Anne

[Glashedy]

Happy New Year, Gracelands!

When larger Estates were 'broken up' in the late 1800s  through early 1900s, the Irish Land Commission made money available in the form of a mortgage  to tenants to purchase land and property. This was repaid over a period of years.
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The following Questions in Dail Eireann (Irish Parliament) confirm this in relation to your Patrick McLaughlin
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Dáil Éireann - Volume 15 - 22 April, 1926
CEISTEANNA—QUESTIONS. ORAL ANSWERS. - DECREES FOR LAND ANNUITIES (CO. DONEGAL).
Mr. BAXTER (for Seán de Faoite) Mr. BAXTER (for Seán de Faoite)
Mr. BAXTER (for Seán de Faoite) asked the Minister for Lands and Agriculture if application was made (Receivable Order 80/5783, folio 8399, Estate of Mrs. Margaret V. McSheffrey) to Patrick McLaughlin, Henry, Drumaville, parish of Malin, Rural District Inishowen, Co. Donegal, for 18/6 by Mr. W.T. McMenamin, State Solicitor; whether he is aware that this sum has been already paid to the Sheriff's bailiff on face of a decree, and a receipt in respect to same was signed by Mr. Francis Fallon on the 15th December, 1925.
MINISTER for DEFENCE (Mr. Hughes) (for Minister for Lands and Agriculture) Peter Hughes
MINISTER for DEFENCE (Mr. Hughes) (for Minister for Lands and Agriculture): Inquiries are being made in the matter referred to, but as these are not yet completed I would ask the Deputy to have the question repeated next week
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Dáil Éireann - Volume 15 - 29 April, 1926
CEISTEANNA—QUESTIONS. ORAL ANSWERS. - CO. DONEGAL PAYMENT.
Mr. D. GOREY (for Seán de Faoite) Mr. D. GOREY (for Seán de Faoite)
Mr. D. GOREY (for Seán de Faoite) asked the Minister for Lands and Agriculture if application was made (Receivable Order 80/5783, folio 8399, Estate of Mrs. Margaret V. McSheffrey) to Patrick McLaughlin, Henry, Drumaville, parish of Malin, Rural District, Innishowen, Co. Donegal, for 18s. 6d. by Mr. W. T. McMenamin, State Solicitor; whether he is aware that this sum has been already paid to the Sheriff's bailiff on face of a decree, and a receipt in respect to same was signed by Mr. Francis Fallon on the 15th December, 1925.
MINISTER for LANDS and AGRICULTURE (Mr. Hogan) MINISTER for LANDS and AGRICULTURE (Mr. Hogan)
748
MINISTER for LANDS and AGRICULTURE (Mr. Hogan): A decree was obtained by the Land Commission for two instalments of land purchase annuities [748] amounting to 6s. 2d. each, total 12s. 4d., to 1st June, 1924. The debt was collected by the Sheriff and has been placed to the tenant-purchaser's credit in the books of the Land Commission. The demand issued for 18s. 6d. by the State Solicitor was in respect of the three subsequent gales due to 1st December, 1925.

Catherine
Glashedy

[mcghee67]

Hi Glashedy,

My grandfather was a sheriff bailiff in Donegal, where would I find imformation on the job that he did, I would also like to find out when exactly he sold his land and house to go to America, in the Slaters Directory of 1896 he was named as Bernard Molloy (Mulloy), County Bailiff of Ardara, Co Donegal, if you can help me I would be delighted,

Jane

[Glashedy]

Jane

All changes in land and property ownership in Ireland are recorded in the Valuation Office in Dublin. Valuation records began with Griffith's Valuation, mid 1850s. Valuations were designed to establish levels of Rates to be paid to the government relevant to the value of the holdings.

Books known as Cancelled Books or Revision Books recorded subsequent changes of ownership, (in different colours of ink, relating to particular years) where former owners' names were crossed out ('cancelled') and new owners added.The colours related to the year the change was notified to the Valuation Office, not necessarily the exact year it took place

You may commission research, or inspect the Cancelled Books personally if you are in a position to visit the Valuation Office.

Jane, since you have the name of your ancestor, place of residence and a timeframe from Slater's Directory, this should not be an impossible task.

As well as looking back in time, Valuation records can give you information on the Rates payable on the property today.

Valuation Office Agency  www.valoff.ie

Irish Life Centre Abbey Street Lower
1, Co. Dublin, Ireland
01 817 1000

Every success in your research!

Catherine

[derrylass]

The cancellation books have been filmed by LDS so if you live near a Family History Centre you can order in the films.
Details of film numbers are to be found on Lindel's Donegal Genealogy Resources Site
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/valist.htm