Help request William Charlton - Humshaugh

[rnc1]

I am seeking information regarding my great great grandfather William Charlton (Charleton) born about 1822 in Cumberland ay Crossby, Brampton or Scaleby depending which Census is viewed. In 1861 he was living in Humshaugh with his wife Ann nee Turnbull born about 1826 at Bellingham, daughter Mary 4 yrs, son George 2 yrs my great grandfather, daughter Mary Ann 3 months, his sister in law Mary Turnbull.

I have been unable to find a marriage for William and Ann and appear to have hit a brick wall as at 1 January 1859 when my great grandfather George was born. Ann died before 1871.

If anyone has any information about William and Ann Charlton please help.

Kind regards
RNC1

[Michael Dixon]

Where , over what era have you looked for the marriage ?

Did you search for Ann just under her maiden name - Turnbull ?

Ann at 35 on C1861 ( 3865-16-7) is old enough to have been married and widowed, before William.

Do you know why they named a dtr Mary, then the next one Mary Ann ?

Do you have the birth certs for the three children showing William/Ann as parents ?

When did Ann die ? Was she the mother of a later-son William ? ( In Wall on C1881 , 5107-32-7, and 1891 4249-27-1200.

Have you the Turnbull family on censuses before C1861 ?

Michael Dixon

[Ecneps]

Hello RNC1

Could this be their marriage?  Hexham reg district covers Humshaugh
Mar 1853    Hexham    10b   263   CHARLTON  William     RICHARDSON    Ann   

 
possible 1851 census  HO107 Piece 2415 Folio 449 Page 2
Humshaugh Mill, Humshaugh, Northumberland
William CHARLTON  head wid  62 Farmer & miller farming 70 ac & employing 1 man & 4 women, and miller employing 3 men   b. Wall, N'land
William  CHARLTON  son   unm 29 Farmer & millers assistant   b.Wall, Northumberland
Ann COATES          serv     "    25 Housekeeper     Haydon Bridge
Smith HALL            "       "    40 Farm & Mill Lab   Birtley
Robert CHARLTON     "   "    60 Miller & Grinder       "
Robert BROWN           "       "    27 Farm & Mill Lab   Elsdon
   

Barbara

[Ecneps]

This may be Ann in 1851

1851 HO107 Piece 2414 Folio 340 Page 4
Farnley Gate, Corbridge
in household of farmer Robert Jewitt
Ann TURNBULL unm 25 House servant   Bellingham Northumberland
   

1841   HO107 Piece 837 Book 24  Folio 15 Page 22
Bellingham, Northumberland
TURNBULL
John         35  Shoem
Ann          15
Elizabeth   12
James       11
Henery       8
Jane          6

next household
TURNBULL
James      75  Clog Maker
Elizabeth   65
Isabella    20 Dressmaker
William     15
all born Northumberland


Barbara

[rnc1]

Michael,

Thanks for replying and to answer your questions;
I have search the GRO index from Sep 1837 to mid 1865 and have found only one marriage for William Charlton and Ann Turnbull in the same quarter. I obtained the cert. but the spouse was actually Mary Kitching so obviosly not the one.
I have considered the possibility that either William or Ann could have married previously because of the two Marys shown in 1861. The birth cert. for George only shows mother as Ann Charlton formerly Turnbull. I have not obtained copy certs. for any of the other children as yet mainly due to the choice i.e. 2 x Mary in the Hexham Sep & Dec 1857 quarters alone. 4 x Mary Ann in the Hexham 1860 Sep to Dec quarters.

I believe Ann died in the March 1867 quarter as there is one entry for Ann Charlton age 44 years which would indicate she was born about 1823 but I have not sent for this as yet, it would also indicate that she was the mother of William born 1862.

Regarding the Turnbull family on Census pre 1861. Yes I have found several families although none that I can be positive about. The reply from Barbara (following your reply) lists one family in 1841 I have looked at but the youngest member aged 6 is shown as Jane and according to the 1861 Census Ann's sister aged 25 is Mary who would be 6 in 1841.

I have e-mailed the Registrars office in Hexham to find out about search fees for the two Marys so will try that avenue and see if any new information shows up on either of the two certificates if found.

Barbara,

Thankyou for your reply also. I have seen the Census entries you have listed and at the present time they are kept as possibles. I have also seen the Charlton Richardson marriage but I searched the BMD site for Ann Turnbull and a male Richardson marriage and could not find one.

I made one trip to the records office at Morpeth a few years ago but I will have to consider another and go through the PRs for Bellingham and one or two other areas. A colleague in my local Family group suggested I try the irregular border marriages also so I may do that although both William and Ann would be of age to marry without parental consent unless there was another reason.

Again many thanks
Richard

[Michael Dixon]

Richard,


".. another reason", that of religion, disappeared on 1st July 1837, when "non-conformists" were allowed to be married in "their" church, rather than marry in an Anglican church or marry abroad. e.g. Scotland.

But your couple too young to be bothered by that.

William's "where born".
Early census enumerators were instructed to record in the "Where Born" column, either the "parish of birth" or " place of birth". Crosby-on-Eden lay between Brampton town and Carlisle, but nearer to Brampton. Scaleby lay just north-west of Brampton. So maybe his "places" were not too different !

I could not read completely his birth place on C1891 ( 4249-27-12) .. was it "Swan Hill" ??


Have you seen william on censuses prior to 1861 ? At least he has a "good" occupation- for tracing !

Michael Dixon

[rnc1]

Michael,

The 1891 Census location appeared to me to be Sword Hill. I posted a topic on the Cumbria FH site to see if anyone had heard of it but no response. Another possibility that has been suggested is phonetic. When asked for place of birth William could have given Sewards Hill, transcribed as sword hill, after the Earl of Northumbria. I don't know of any connection.

Regarding his occupation on Georges birth cert. William's occupation is shown as Agricultural labourer.

Regards
Richard

[rnc1]

Michael,

Following on from your 'occupation' comment re the railway connection and my reply I looked up some of my copies from 1851 and a strong contender is piece 2415. 490, page 5. In Newborough, youngest in the family at aged 36 is William ( a bit older than I would have liked) an agric. lab. drainer born Walton, Cumberland. Walton is also a pob on the 1871 I believe.

I wonder when the railways became established in the area as he could be in the perfect position working on the land to migrate to the railways?

Regards
Richard

[Michael Dixon]

  Just a quickie benchmark....

The completed link Carlisle>< Newcastle was formerly opened opened as early as 1838. Then they were building lines everywhere.

Sword Hill it was !   Close to Scaleby  ( grid ref 612.758)

From 1891 census, William birth year = 1814
from 1881 = 1820
from 1861 = 1822


Michael