Louisa and George Biddlecombe in 1871

[lizdb]

We are not, I know, but at least it has brought into play the possibility that she (IF this is her! ! ! ) may use the name Eliza.
(not that I can find an Eliza Biddlecombe either!)

WAiting to see what Molloyboy says about her dad from marriage., and about the nephew

[louisa maud]

I got really excited just now, easily pleased me, but this Eliza Biddlecombe was 30 MONTHS on 1871, would have been close if it had showed 30 years but sadly not, her age on 1861 was a little out if she was born 1840,

I just hope we are not barking up the wrong tree but we won't know till Molloyboy comes up with the details

I am off for lunch, I think I deserve it !!

LM

[Molloyboy]

Thanks for taking an interest Liz.

You suggested coming at it from a different angle, and finding out her maiden name. You're right, she was born LOUISA PACKER. It's really the Packers I'm researching.

She was born in Marylebone, Middx 1838.
Her father was John Packer basket maker b. Sandwich, Kent 1804.
Her mother was Elizabeth Lewis b. C 1809.

In 1841 she lived with her parents and siblings John, Matthew, Charles, and sophia in Southwark.
In 1851 she lived with her widowed father at 15, Brunswick Grove St Pancras.
She married George Biddlecombe in 1860.
In 1861 Louisa and George lived at Brill Crescent St Pancras.

Oh yeah, she was a witness to the marriage of Thomas John Packer and Margaret O' Shaughnessy in St Botolph, London in 1873 (not 1870 as I said previously). Thomas was her brother Matthews son.

Phew, I wish I could have cut and pasted that lot from my notes.

Dan

[louisa maud]

I am wondering if there is an Irish connection here whereby the Biddlecombe's went backward and forwards to Ireland and missed the census.

LM

[Molloyboy]

In the 1861 census, George is 34, not 24. Sorry.

Dan

[louisa maud]

I have looked at the 1861 and noted that he was 34 and not 24 as you had previously stated,  but to be quite honest , I am stumped, can't find hide nor hair of them on 1871 even by just using Christian names and plus or minus 5 years either side of expected birht dates

LM

[lizdb]

OK, so we can scrub Eliza out of the picture (shame, i did so like that name for her brother, Henry Alonzo...!)

The REAL Louisa's birth is -
Jan/Feb/Mar 1838
MArylebone 1 123
Louisa Packer

But - 1851 census is interesting. By rights (from birth, age at marriage etc) she should be about 13.
But she is listed as 19. the image is pretty clear - I suppose the only other thing it could possibly be is a 12 with a very curly 2. Which would be OK, if her birthday (13th) was after the census.

Here it is -
HO107 1495 294 63
John 46 widowr Basket MAker Master bn Sandwich Kent
Louisa 19 House servant bn Marylebone
Sophia 11 bn M
Ann 4 bn Bermonsey Surrey
Sarah Humphries dtr in law Unm 26 Housekeeper bn St George in the East
James Humphries 5 son bn St G in the East

Who is Sarah? for her to be a dtr in law she would be married to a Packer son, and therfore called Packer. MAybe she is a step daughter, and John's wife had been married before to a Humphries.

Have you actually got her marriage cert to Biddlecombe? with dad John the basketmaker on it

[DEVIS]

Could this be Louisa`s father John remarried.?

1871      RG10/292/34/60   2 Lambyard, Islington

Packer John H M 66 Basket Maker b. Kent
Packer Sarah W M 46                    b. Bloomsbury

Devis

[Molloyboy]

Liz, we are entering stormy Packer waters.

It seems both JOHN PACKER b. Sandwich 1804, and his son MATTHEW PACKER b. White chapel C 1829, had a predeliction for unofficial marriages.

John 'shacked up' with his housekeeper/daughter in law Sarah when his wife died and Matthew had at least 4 children with a woman called Ann Purdy before they separated and both married different people.

Anyhoo, no I don't have George and Louisa Biddlecombe's marriage cert.

.................And, how do you do that Liz? In your last post, you included a whole block of text from a census listing. I can't right-click without a copyright notice popping up.

Dan