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[Polldoll]

..... nice one  GEORGE  as usual....
Poll

[Rabbit B]

hi folks,

 the more i look at the scarf/turban, the more sure i get that this is part of the costume, most probably older ladies with thinning hair would wear a hat like this.

that part of the world is colder too. she'd need it if she had thin hair.  so it has to be grandma.

rabbit b 

[Gadget]

A lovely restore, George 

More on Ukrainian traditional dress:

Married women did not braid their hair and never displayed it in public. They tucked their hair under an ochipok, a sort of close-fitting scull-cap made of silk, brocade or chintz. It was considered indecent for a married woman to be seen bare-headed. The ochipok was to be worn all life long with the hair hidden under it, and there was hardly a greater shame for a woman to have her ochipok pulled off her hair by someone in public (probably it had something to do with the belief in magic qualities of hair).
Headkerhiefs and shawls came to be used widely only at the end of the nineteenth century, and the occasion and means available determined what kind of headkerchief or shawl was to be worn.

http://www.wumag.kiev.ua/wumag_old/archiv/1_97/dress.htm

Also see:

http://www.nat.com.ua/ukrainian_folk_costume.html


Gadget

[PaulaToo]

It's quite common for married women to cover their hair.

Geraldus tells that the women of Wales had short hair, because long hair was a trap for men...
In medieval times showing hair was evil, even eyebrows were shaved off.

As close as Victorian days we see young girls with long hair worn down, married girls with their hair up, and widows with caps, even though they were so small they were mainly symbolic.

[Gadget]

This is Ukraine in the 1890s 

[PaulaToo]

So I believe I have read.
I know nothing of tradition in the Ukraine, but I am thinking that it might have been a custom in Christion countries.

[tomkin]

Posted by: Gadget  Posted on: Friday 06 March 09 20:18 GMT (UK) 
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I'm 98% sure it's a man, Terry   

  I've been out with a lot of wimmin who look a lot more

  masculine than her.

   Tomkin

   P.S. Just a quickie.

[tomkin]

  Again!!!  as soon as I post it on RootsChat

  it turns from sepia to B&W


        Tomkin.

   Anybody!!!  Does it look a light sepia on your monitor

    or B&W.

[Gadget]

It's black and white at the moment   

But I expect someone will come on and say it's sepia 

We don't know which gender the person is:

I'm 98% sure it's a man, Terry 

I'm with you Gadget, wish Shauna would hurry back

Terry

I certainly think it's a fellow holding the baby .. Like  Gadget says,..... I 'm sure there is a small beard present!

hi polldoll,

having had a very close look i tend to agree.

but having said that, and studied the site that gadget put up. i couldn't find any reference to men at all.

rabbit b   

Didn't spot the earlier post that said it was Ukraine, and worked out that the photographers address was Yalta !  For what it is worth, I tend towards the idea that it is a man

Robert

Here's a small version of yours so that you can see that it's b & w