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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #45 on: Thursday 05 March 09 18:20 GMT (UK) »
Yes but I couldn't read it very well. My eyes are feeling the strain today, i'm feeling a bit under the weather so I think I shall try again another time.

Good luck with the hunt!

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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #46 on: Monday 27 April 09 13:41 BST (UK) »
I am feeling so embarrassed!! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Today putting all the census and BMD's for this family in order.  I happened to look at a marriage certificate and discovered that all your hard work on this thread was in vain.  As were the costs involved in purchasing the relevant documents from SP.  And it is all my fault!
The quote below is from the very first message:

"I feel this is an impossible search!  How do you search for a James Mc..........
when there are so many variations?  This name is worse than Smith in England at least there are only two versions of that name.
If there is an expert on Mc......'s out there the person I am looking for is James Mclellan married in the parish of Glasserton in the county of Wigtownshire at a place called Craigdan?  His name is spelt McClelland but his daughter's birth certificate says McLellan.  I am wanting to find his birth."

McLellan was not the problem!  The father's name is JOHN McLelland and the wife is Mary Stewart on the daughter's marriage certificate.  I have been through the IGI for Ayrshire, every parish available, but the latest they reach 1875. 

I think I have the Marriage cert for her parents which shows:
John McClumpha McClelland (Ploughman and living at Barrhill or Barnhill) and Mary Stewart (20 and living at Knockdolian, Colmwell?)  married 25 November 1890 in the parish of Girvan in the county of Ayr.  But I notice a C before Lelland!

John is 21 and his father is William McClelland (another ploughman) and his mother is Mary McClumpha
Witnesses: John Murray and Frances Milligan

Joseph Ferguson married Evelyn McLelland 18 Jul 1913 at Burnton, Dalrymple in the county of Ayr.
His parents were John (actually James) Ferguson and Christina Shea
Her parents were JOHN McLelland (Ploughman) and Mary Stewart
Witnesses Isabella McLelland and John Kirkwood.

There are 2 births for an Evelyn McLellan and both have the parents that we followed in error.  They are in 1892 and 1890.

Please can someone help me find the answer to this problem?

Regards,
Abiam

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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #47 on: Monday 27 April 09 14:40 BST (UK) »
Yikes  :o

So working backwards from the people you are sure of...

You want to know details of Evelyn McLelland who married Joseph Ferguson in 1913 in Ayr, but the parent names on the births you have found don't match what was put on the marriage certificate?

Have I got that right?

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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #48 on: Monday 27 April 09 15:13 BST (UK) »
Yes! Yikes is appropriate.

And yes the only thing I can be sure of is from the marriage cert
Joseph Ferguson = Evelyn McLelland 31 Jul 1913 Dalrymple Ayr

And there is a possible marriage for Evelyn's parents 1890 in Girvan.

A case of how to lose 4 or 5 generations on a Monday morning!

Hope you can help,
Cheers Abiam


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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #49 on: Monday 27 April 09 15:21 BST (UK) »
Isabella McLelland who was witness at their wedding could be a sister or a cousin I suppose. Have you tried to find her? If she was a sister it could help confirm the parents.

Do you have Evelyn in the 1901 census?

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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #50 on: Monday 27 April 09 17:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Kirsty,

This is driving me mad!  I can only find Evelyn on the 1901 census with parents James and Agnes.
The only Isabella on the 1901 has parents William and Jane

Just been googling but can't come up with anything.  I did try Free cen but they don't have the 1901. 

Where was Evelyn Mc Lellan/McLelland/McClelland born?  I don't know where else to look!

Abiam

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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #51 on: Monday 27 April 09 23:12 BST (UK) »
Have you tried looking for deaths of Evelyn M*lellan* on SP? There is one showing in 1823, giving a birth year of 1887!!!? Could be her married name of course.

The other option is that Evelyn was illegitimate and made up the parents names, or used grandparents, or her parents just never married.

Do you know any more about her later life? Did she have children and if so what were their names, did they follow tradition?

Have you checked the 1891 census for her possible parents?

Does the 1901 census match the 1890 birth or the 1892 birth? I couldn't see a death between 1890 and 1900 for a young Evelyn. I had wondered if one died and the parents named the second girl the same name?

so many questions...
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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #52 on: Monday 27 April 09 23:14 BST (UK) »
One other option.

Maybe Evelyn wasn't born in Scotland! :o

Kirsty
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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #53 on: Monday 27 April 09 23:16 BST (UK) »
And so few answers!  Will go over what I have checked and get back.  Thanks for taking an interest,
Abiam