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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 00:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Abiam and Kirsty  :)

Not sure if I am going to help, I think more likely raise more questions.

Abiam, from the details you show for Evelyn's parents:

I think I have the Marriage cert for her parents which shows:
John McClumpha McClelland (Ploughman and living at Barrhill or Barnhill) and Mary Stewart (20 and living at Knockdolian, Colmwell?)  married 25 November 1890 in the parish of Girvan in the county of Ayr.  But I notice a C before Lelland!

John is 21 and his father is William McClelland (another ploughman) and his mother is Mary McClumpha


I think John was likely to be illegitimate. This looks a possible birth entry from IGI:

JOHN MCCLUMPHA Birth: 04 AUG 1869 Whithorn, Wigtown, Scotland
Parents: MARY MCCLUMPHA

From the marriage you have in Girvan in late 1890, I think this might be the family of John and Mary (Stewart) in 1901, with a corresponding birth place for John:

John McClelland 31, ploughman, b. Whithorn, Wigtown
Mary McClelland 30, b. Girvan
Elizabeth McClelland 9, b. Girvan
Mary McClelland 7, b. Girvan
William McClelland 4, b. Kirkoswald, Ayrshire
Isabella McClelland 2. b. Maybole, Ayrshire

Address: High Milton Cothouse, Maybole Ayrshire

A check on any of the children's birth certs above would let you confirm mother's maiden name/marriage date to make sure it is the right couple.

What was Evelyn's age at marriage?

Could the Isabella above, age 2 in 1901, have been one of the witnesses at the marriage in 1913?
And where was Evelyn in 1901?

Monica

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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 02:01 BST (UK) »
Hello Monica and Kirsty,

First what I know about Evelyn:
Married Joseph Ferguson 18 Jul 1913 Dalrymple Ayreshire.

Three children:
Evelyn Ferguson born Dec 1912 Dalrymple Ayreshire believed to illegitimate
James Ferguson born 1913 Dreghorn Army Barracks N Ayrshire
John Mclellan Ferguson born 1815 Kirkoswald Ayreshire

Joseph her husband died in 1917 (war)
Evelyn remarried in 1925 to James McKendrie and they had two daughters.
One called Jessie  and another Evelyn Mclellan McKendrie.

The only Evelyn Mclellan I can find in the 1891 (6 months) census is daughter to James and Agnes. I'm sure I found her on the 1901 aged 10 and they were still at Camlachie Glasgow. 

I'm sure you have it right Monica but I haven't had a chance to read it properly and my eyes are on stalks!  I have been looking for David and Isabella Stewart in the 1901 census most of this evening. Found only 3 possibles but have to get to bed!

G'night speak tomorrow,
Abiam


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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 09:34 BST (UK) »
HI Abiam

Struggling with the 1901 entry, but this looks like David and Isabella (Milligan) Stewart in 1891:

David Stuart 60, Agricultural Labourer, b. Ballantrae, Ayrshire
Isabella Stuart 48, b. Ballantrae, Ayrshire 

Address: Cauldshore, Girvan

This fits well with the family's 1871 entry:

David Stewart 40, ploughman, b. Ballantrae, Ayrshire
Isabella Stewart 28, b. Ballantrae, Ayrshire
Alexander Stewart 5, b. Ballantrae, Ayrshire
Jane Stewart 2, b. Dalrymple, Ayrshire
Mary Stewart5 Months, b. Girvan, Ayrshire 

Address:Shallochpark, Girvan

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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 10:14 BST (UK) »
That looks good but I need to sort out the first part I have written out what I think we have - ready for corrections :D

Last night all was clear!  This morning?

We have Evelyn Mclellan born 1892 (according to Mar. Cert.) where?
Father John McClumpha born 1869 Whithorn, Wigtown to Mary McClumpha and  William McClellan (but no marriage?)

Marriage of John McClumpha McClelland to Mary Stewart 25 Nov 1890 in Girvan
Parents of John – William McClelland and Mary McClumpha
Parents of Mary Stewart – David Stewart and Isabella Milligan

In 1901 John and Mary have 4 children (cert of one shows Mary Stewart is the mother)

In 1891 Evelyn (few months) and 1901 Evelyn is 10 yrs old with parents James and Agnes and siblings at Police buildings Camlachie Glasgow.  Could she have been taken in by James and Agnes and they registered her as their own?  We have that certificate but cannot find one for her with parents John and Mary.  Could James be John's brother?

Or could she be with Grandparents?

Have I got this straight?  I am feeling confused!
Abiam


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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 10:34 BST (UK) »
Did you say you had found 2 births in the 1890s for Evelyns? If so was one of them to a James and Agnes? It might simply be that there were 2 of them. They might even be related as you suggest.

Have you found her 2 sets of grandparents in the census records to check she is not with them, but mistranscribed?

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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 11:38 BST (UK) »
Morning,
There is an Evelyn Janet in the 1891 age 11 parents are Robert and Agnes
Evelyn born 1890 to James and Agnes
1891 Evelyn 6mths with James and Agnes
1901 Evelyn 10 with James and Agnes

Eveln is not with grandparents David and Isabella I have the family through from '71 to '01

Have yet to find the other Grandparents,
Will keep looking,
Abiam

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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #60 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 13:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Abiam

What was Evelyn's age at marriage in 1913?

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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #61 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 13:42 BST (UK) »
Mar. cert says 21, sorry meant to put that in last night.
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Re: McLellan, McLelland, McClellan, McLelland, MacLellan etc. etc.
« Reply #62 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 13:59 BST (UK) »
I have found William and Mary's marriage on the  IGI 2 Mar 1871 and David and Isabella's marriage 13 Jan 1866 Straiton Ayrshire.  Have also followed David and Isabella through on the census from '71 to '01.  Now trying to sort William and Mary on the census,
Cheers,
Abiam