Halton, West Yorkshire

[Pels.]

Hello again jsm,

You will be able to see our findings if I post the link, there are also a couple of deaths as well, so it isn't a foregone conclusion all the ones I suggested survived ??

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

When you say you've followed some forward and they married the wrong person, have you an idea who his parents are .. I found one born in Whitkirk on the 1851?

Also who were you hoping he married .. ?

Kind regards,

Pels.

[jsm]

Thanks again.  No, no idea who his parents were.  If only ........................

He married Mary Ann ..........  born in Sandside, Westmorland (who was known as Mark when she was a child, but after her father left, her mother seems to have reverted to her maiden name of Jackson so I have been looking for marriages in the name of both surnames)   As her parents probably didn't marry, I 'm not confident that Mary Ann and Joseph bothered to either.  I have no idea where they met, or married.  They ended up in West Melton in Yorkshire.  (have death certs for both) but could have married in westmorland, lancs, yorks ...............

best wishes,
jsm

[Pels.]

If it's Mary Ann, that counts out the one I thought it might be .. the one born in Whitkirk appears to have married someone called Patience according to the 1891 and 1901 returns  .. he's the one born in Halton, Hunslet .. ? 

[Gragareth]

JSM.....I have a Birth Certificate of July 1840.  Registration District Leeds,
Sub-district Whitkirk in the County of York.  Birth and parents at Colton, an adjoining hamlet of Whitkirk, close to Halton village. [ Both close to Templenewsam House.]
The parish church, I believe Halton's, would be St.Mary's Whitkirk. This is within a mile of Halton,  now a Leeds suburb.
In the 1930's a new C of E church built at Halton. I think parish boundaries changed.  Hope this may be useful,    Gragareth.

[jsm]

Igi has a Jos dobson baptised in Whitkirk 28 Dec 1845, so thank you, it could be him.  Parents are John and Jane though, which aren't family names at all.  Not that that proves anything. 

Mind you, if that is the one who married Patience, then it isn't him.  IGI doesn't seem to have any other likely baptisms.

[Pels.]

JSM.....I have a Birth Certificate of July 1840.  Registration District Leeds,
Sub-district Whitkirk in the County of York.  Birth and parents at Colton, an adjoining hamlet of Whitkirk, close to Halton village. [ Both close to Templenewsam House.]
The parish church, I believe Halton's, would be St.Mary's Whitkirk. This is within a mile of Halton,  now a Leeds suburb.
In the 1930's a new C of E church built at Halton. I think parish boundaries changed.  Hope this may be useful,    Gragareth.

Problem is Gragareth .. if Joseph was born in 1845 .. Hunslet would cover this registration district .. it was only under Leeds up till this point .. ?

Taken from the link I posted earlier .. ? 


HUNSLET REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : Yorkshire West Riding.
Created : 1.1.1845 (out of Leeds district).
Abolished : 1.3.1929 (succeeded by Leeds South district).
Sub-districts : Chapeltown; Gildersome; Holbeck; Hunslet; Kirkstall; Rothwell; Templenewsam; Whitkirk; Wortley
GRO volumes : XXII (1845-51); 9b (1852-1929)

[wozzle]

joseph dobson
y.o.r. 1846
qtr. jul/aug/sept
dist. leeds
vol. 23
page; 514.

[jsm]

Now that is interesting - thank you.  If he was born in 1844 it's Leeds, if he was born in 1845 or 46, then it's Hunslet.  At least that clears that up. 

Now all I have to do is find him!!!

[Pels.]

Igi has a Jos dobson baptised in Whitkirk 28 Dec 1845, so thank you, it could be him.  Parents are John and Jane though, which aren't family names at all.  Not that that proves anything. 

Mind you, if that is the one who married Patience, then it isn't him.  IGI doesn't seem to have any other likely baptisms.

I've been giving this an awful lot of thought .. it seems such a shame there appears to be so many options ??

Purely by process of elimination and taking the occupations of the others into account, I have a feeling Joseph's parents may well have been John and Jane, but it's still a long shot.

One contender, who can be counted out .. Joseph, b. consistently 1844, Hunslet is the one who married Katherine Elizabeth, he's a Maltster .. as was his father Richard before him.

Joseph Dobson born 1846/1847 Leeds, appears in most of the returns as a Butcher .. he married Harriet.

The one who married Patience was born Halton/Whitkirk, 1843/1845, he was a Green Grocer in 1901 .. a Coal Leader ten years before, as far as I can see he's the only other Joseph who could be the child of John and Jane?

That leaves yours .. in 1881 Mary A Dobson is married to Joseph, born according to the census 1844 in Leeds .. his occupation is a Miner. Their eldest child, living with them is Mary E. aged 9 and born Lancaster, Dalton.

Have you considered in view of their ages in relation to what appears to be the age of their oldest child .. this may be a second marriage for either or both .. ?

I know I'm most likely explaining the obvious to you, if only we could trace your Joseph in 1871 it might help confirm the correct birth registration and also find a marriage .. ?? 

Added .. I also wondered whether you have found Mary A in 1871 ?

So many questions .. sorry !!


Kind regards,

Pels.