Where would I start, if I can? (post in 3 posts)

[J.J.]

Well we all deal with information in our own way, and the past is the past, the truth is the truth...but if you have
reservations, then don't tell him if you are uncomfortable...

I say we all run out to Elora and have a little vacation and research first hand ( I wish)
http://www.eloramews.com/site_map.html
It's a lovely looking town, quite appealing...maybe Christine just liked it there...and maybe she had more clientelle
there...The lady she stayed with could have been a friend of Jane's....who knows....
speculation...that's my middle name...No, as discussed previously I've got enuff names already, don't I?

Well, in thought let's all go to the Royal Hotel for a bubbly and think it all over...get your ats'n coats...   J.J.
here's the Royal:
http://www.elora.info/tourpage.php?pageNum_rstour=3&totalRows_rstour=20


some chewing gum for the eyes is all:
Handwritten business directory:
http://www.wcm.on.ca/tweedsmuir/pdf/TownshipofCentreWellington/EloraWI/1/214.pdf

http://www.wcm.on.ca/tweedsmuir/pdf/TownshipofCentreWellington/EloraWI/1/056.pdf
In 1870 the R.R. opened from Guelph to Elora...A three hour stagecoach trip now took 20 minutes!
Being a hotel owner, this would have opened up business a bit, and brought people to work in the mill, etc.
But by 1873 it reached so far that everyone had a piece of the pie...
so that must have been when business slowed. It was also one of SEVEN hotels operating in Elora at the time
(in 1871)  http://www.uoguelph.ca/~sday/thesis/wellingtonKeepers6731.htm

There was a newspaper in town for a decade starting in 1870...The Elora Journeyman...
Wonder how extensive their newstaking was in those days?...also the Dumphries reformer reported weddings & such

[polarbear]

I noticed that the death reg for Christina gives her religion as Presb and birth place as Elora....all fingers crossed for a baptism at Knox Church.

Just in case, I looked up all Ross births under female and Christina with no hits. Ditto female Vickers and other spellings of McIntosh. Added....covered years 1869-1871.

The James, Jane, and Jane mentioned in an earlier thread as having arrived in Canada in 1867 appear to be in Toronto in 1881; the age of the elder Jane is mistranscribed.

Polarbear

[Daisy Loo]

Just another interesting snippet...

It appears that Margaret Ross Vickers bryans (whatever her name really was!) used to work in a hotel in Elora...
she used to help the drunks, and sit with them until they were sober!  (This was pre-marriage)  I haven't cnfirmed that she was working in the Royal Hotel yet, but were there other hotels in Elora at the time?

Sorry JJ, missed that on your post....there were others

[Daisy Loo]

Okay, I have put out feelers, and it seems they DID know that Margaret was illegitimate, and that it's okat to contact the son, even though he is a Pastor.  So I shall write to him, and tell him what you have all found... who knows, there may be a birth cert of Margeret knocking around!

Thanks everyone for your help.  If I hear anything back from Knox, I;ll let you know...

[Daisy Loo]

Just had another thought...I am sure I saw another Christina McIntosh somewhere on the census's...can't remember which one, but could we find a McIntosh/Webster marriage?  This could explain the relationship of NEICE in the 1891 census, where Christina Vickers was living with Christina Webster.

Added: I have had a look, but can't find anything...I can't frind Christina in the 1871 census either.  Grrrr....

[Daisy Loo]

Just wanted to update, and add a couple of interesting things.  I have written to the son, who is delighted that so much info has been found.  It was quite a lot of info, so he's going to have a look through to see if anything else jogs his memory.

In the meantime, the grandson remembers, that apparently the Vickers were always after his grandmother (Margaret) to go to the Vickers Family Reunions, which she did, as did her daughter (who is also still living, and who is also being consulted!)  It seems strange to me that the Vickers kept in contact, when they themselves didn't adopt her...unless it was her (half)siblings?  The grandson suggested maybe if the living Vicker's were contacted, more information could be found.  Any help with that, would be greatly appreciated

Thanks guys.

Edited: Getting her muddled with Christina now!

[polarbear]

Have just taken a closer look at the cemetery info Karen posted a while back.
There are a number of Vickers' with reference number WE-4289...

Christina M
Elizabeth
Francis
Jane
Jessie
Maria
Thomas

Thomas and Jessie were married
So were Francis and Jane
Maria was the first wife of Francis

I wonder who Elizabeth is and how she might fit into the picture, and when she died?

If these folks all have the same reference number, might it refer to a family plot?

Polarbear

[Daisy Loo]

It sounds like it doesn't it, Polarbear   good point!

I wonder if any of the family live near Elora...might ask one of them to pop along, and see what's written on the headstones.  Could give a bit of info.

So, whoever Christina's father was, she was certainly considered a Vickers.  I still can't get my head round why Margaret was adopted by "strangers" and not taken in by the family.  How sad for her...poor little girl, at ten years old, losing her mum, and having to go live with strangers, when family were still around.

ALTHOUGH, reading some of the info that you good folk have posted, it seems that when Francis died, he left nothing, so maybe they couldn't afford to take in a child...stilll

[J.J.]

Actually When Francis's brother Thomas's wife died, I bet he was awefully lonely as they had no children..
But the home children I spoke of earlier often had aunts & uncles as well, so some people just don't
extend that extra hand, I guess...

Arthur Wellington ontario Eliza Vickers     Frances & Sarah VICKERS not sur eif related somehow
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/001081-119.02-e.php?person_id_nbr=2957311

Adding that Thomas was 73 in 1901 so not a likely candidate....but there were 5 or 6 other siblings as well, who may have been younger than he was...