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Re: Where would I start, if I can? (post in 3 posts)
« Reply #63 on: Thursday 26 February 09 00:08 GMT (UK) »
Oooohhh! The girls were adopted by their 1/2 sister then?

Nice that they weren't strangers.

A small log church. Real pioneers :)

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« Reply #64 on: Thursday 26 February 09 00:28 GMT (UK) »
Marriage Registration for:

John Johns
Age:  28
Residence when married:  Elora
Place of Birth:  England
Bachelor
Occupation:  Distiller
Parents:  Samuel & Mary Johns

Mary Jane Vickers
Age:  20
Residence when married:  Elora
Place of birth:  blank
Parents:  Adopted Daughter of Francis and Maria Vickers

Witnesses:  John L. Gibson, Elora & Mary Ann Skeane (?)
Date:  August 29, 1872
St. John's Anglican Church
Religion for both:  Church of England

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« Reply #65 on: Thursday 26 February 09 00:32 GMT (UK) »
Polar bear, welcome to the hunt...Good mystery, but a tough one...and you've thrown in the usual wrench as well...but keeps us on our toes...
Yes, I just found the marriage, although don't have access to details...so good going, as I was going to see
if it was a rellie..
Did anyone post Jane's death in 1882 / Clifford, Wellington...says born c. 1853 Aberdeenshire.
http://search.labs.familysearch.org

also there is a birth for a Francis Johns Vickers mother is Mary Jane Vickers, so THAT birth was registered...
Karen just sent me the 1891, so the name was just reversed, as he's Francis Vickers Johns...
I thought we had another birth before marriage
Here's the image 1891 John johns & Mary Jane & family
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« Reply #66 on: Thursday 26 February 09 00:35 GMT (UK) »
Oh, dear....just saw your entry, Karen...Keeps life interesting...
 >:( Where's our Jane McIntosh in 1871...  & does she have little Christina?  :-\
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Re: Where would I start, if I can? (post in 3 posts)
« Reply #67 on: Thursday 26 February 09 00:54 GMT (UK) »


I'm so behind .......  ::) but do you have this already ?

MCINTOSH m[at]ca.on.wellington.guelph 1872 published
VICKERS Francis to McINTOSH Jane

contact Wellington branch

http://www.ogs.on.ca/branches/branchlocator.php

https://secure3.zenutech.com/~ogs/ogspi/187/m187x000.htm#mcintosh
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« Reply #68 on: Thursday 26 February 09 02:42 GMT (UK) »
Hmmm, I think we need to see who all is living with Francis Vickers in the 1871 census.

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« Reply #69 on: Thursday 26 February 09 03:34 GMT (UK) »
reply #60 polarbear says there's only Francis & his adopted daughter...It was awefully good of her to do the same for her sisters later in life...She had a family of her own to raise... :) J.J.
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« Reply #70 on: Thursday 26 February 09 14:16 GMT (UK) »
Good day everyone.  Have sent an email to the grandson, so I do hope to get something back from him soon.

Looking up adoption, it seems that there was no formal adoption records kept until the early 1900's, and even then, most adoptions were just friends, neighbours or relatives taking in a child.  If that's the case, nothing will be found on Margaret's adoption, ie when, unless, I can get more info from her descendants.  I think her son may still be alive, but will have to ask the grandson again.

Has anyone, or could anyone look up a marriage for the Bryans?  in 1891, they were living as married, no children, so safe to say perhaps that they were newly weds.  William John was from Ireland, and Eveline Annie (Shewell, but don't know if that's her maiden name...have tried looking her up on English records, but could find no Eveline Annie Shewell on An****y) was from England.  I'm guessing that they got married in Canada.

I am interested to see if there could have been a relative connection between these folk to Margaret.

Added: I've probably repeated what someone else has done, but I checked the 1871 census Canada for a Jane McIntosh, and there wasn't one that matched....there was one who was 32....but religion didn't match, and was English

I have found Jane in the 1851 & 1861 Scotland census's.  In 1851, she is living with her mother & father, in 1861, she is a servant.  So guess she must have gone to Canada between 1861 & 1872 anyway.
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« Reply #71 on: Thursday 26 February 09 15:03 GMT (UK) »
Please by all means do lots of searching....
I would say that the parents of william John ( He's born circa 1864 of Irish descent...) are the couple James & Margaret who are near them in the Sullivan dist. Grey county on the 1891 and the 1901...both born c1840 Ireland
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/001081-119.02-e.php?person_id_nbr=1559920
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=51974&highlight=4

Ugh...don't see a marriage offhand, but maybe the surname has to be just right...
Eveline born c. 1866 england / Irish descent immigrated when very young around 1872...There are several Eveline
in 1881 but none seem to ring as being the right one as yet...
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I'll add here if I find more:
Not sure if anyone else is looking for the marriage or perhaps can't find it...Only birth I can find:
Births Sept Q. 1866   Showell, Eveline A    Darlington    vol. 10a   p.33

that got it...what I can see is: Eveline Annie Showell m. William John Bryans
parents are Fanny Wrigley Showell & Owen Johnson Showell

hmmm, no wonder she is "Ann Evlier SHOVEL" in 1881  ::)
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