Simeon Burns 1811-1877 Walsall

[janetto]

Looking for information on descendants of Simeon Burns married to Nancy Foster c.1832. He was spring saddle bar maker in Walsall, with children William, Jane Foster (m.Simeon Heath),Thomas, Nancy (m. William Cleghorn), Elizabeth (m. Sidney Moss) and Simeon.

[lizdb]

Before we start hunting around can yuo ley us know what you already have, so we dont duplicate.

have you dates of birth for these children?
HAve you found them on any censuses?
you have marriage for some -  do you have dates/places for these and have you found the couples on censuses - with or without children

etcetc

[janetto]

Yes, lizdb
We have pretty comprehensive details of the children and their families re. snapshots taken in censuses, particularly the 1881 census.  I haven’t got a birth/baptism date for the youngest boy Simeon b. 1850/51 who married Anne Black (Dec.Qu. 1874).  I believe I have seen them on the 1891 census, in Handsworth Birmingham, but have no knowledge of children from that marriage.  We are intrigued by the fact that my husband’s great grandmother Elizabeth was born (19 June 1844) in Upper Gornal, Sedgely near Dudley and it seems from the BMD index that her father Simeon’s death was registered there.  What was the family connection to Sedgely?.. Also was there a daughter Mary Ann born 1843, or was this daughter who popped up somewhere one and the same as Nancy bp. 14 Feb 1839 St Matthew, Walsall?  Any ideas welcome - janetto

[lizdb]

No children with Simeon junior in 1891

RG12 2263 38 29
2 Stamford Rd Handsworth
Simeon Burns 41 Saddler bn Walsall
Annie 41 wife bn Walsall
Lavinia Fremani servant

[lizdb]

The children Mary and Nancy are clearly two different peopel as they both appear on 1851

HO107 2023 26 44
(recorded as Bourns)

Pool Street , Walsall

Simeon 39 Spring something maker bn Darlaston
Nancy 40 bn Darlaston
Thomas 14 bn Walsll
Jane 15 dressmaker bn W
Nancy 12 bn W
Mary Ann 8 bn W
Elizabeth 6 bn Cornall?
Simeon 1 bn Walsall
Thomas 28 brother Spring somthing maker bn Darlaston

[lizdb]

Only young Simeon at home by 1861

RG9 2017 15 28
Pool Street
Simeon 49 Spring bar maker employing 5 men 2 boys bn Darl.
Nancy 50 bn Darlaston
simeon 11 bn Walsall

Next door
William burns 27 Spring bar maker bn Darlaston
Elizabeth 24 bn Whittington
Thomas 11 mths bn Walsall
Sampson Allsop bro-inlaw 17 Tailor bn Whittington

Is this William their eldest child or another brother? His marraige cert will confirm is Simeon is the dad.
If so - then it looks like he married Elizabeth Allsop and had at least one child.

[lizdb]

Marriage
Jul/Aug/Sep 1858
West Bromwich
6b 743
William Burns

one of brides on page Elizabeth Allsop.

Of course this William living next door to Simeon and employed in the same trade could be any relation (nephew, cousin, son, brother etc), or none at all (though quite a coincidence if not).

[lizdb]

I will stop there as I am not sure if I am duplicating what you have, as you say you have traced them through the censuses.

[janetto]

Thanks lizdb for the info regarding Mary Ann and Nancy appearing in 1851.  The Elizabeth who was 6 in 1851 was born in Gornal .  The William who married Elizabeth Allsop was indeed the eldest son (born Darlaston 1833); he started of as a spring bar maker and finished up as butcher.
Thanks again
janetto.