William Thomas Dickenson c1769-1828

[Red_Fred]

Thanks Paulene

I will do some further checking on Nottm Records - I seem to recall seeing ages ago an index card for WTD in the Nottingham burgesses file - will look again.

Like you, and based on the age on his gravestone in Shelford, I think the Shoreditch baptism of William Thomas Dickerson in 1769 is my man.

I also found this on the IGI :-

St. Leonard's, Shoreditch
Mary Dickenson
born 13 Nov 1797
christened 10 Dec 1797
buried 6 Nov 1798
parents - William Dickenson and Mary

Another thing I picked up was that WTD took on a Charity Apprentice in Nottingham in 1809 - a lad named Thomas Peat.

I will look at the burgess records in the next few days also might also be worth my putting a post on the London section of Roots Chat.

Finally for now re the Richards- Chappell mystery, have started looking into the Charlton papers, but feel I need to make sure I put a succinct post on the site requesting information.

Thanks again
Malc

[Dizzifish]

Hello Malc & Paulene,

I looked for other baptism possibilities outside of Nottinghamshire and came up with the same as you which does looks very plausible.

I wonder if the original marriage entry for William Thomas Dickenson to Mary Wrigglesworth Paterson might give any extra information. Probably too much to hope for that it gives his occupation as Dyer?

I don’t suppose there is a Will for William Thomas Dickenson?
I am guessing you have already seen this Dickenson v Wright?
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=P2oDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA403&dq=%22william+thomas+dickenson%22#PPA401,M1

Although there are lot’s of other Dickenson and name variant burials I will mention this one as I am drawn to it….if WT was married previously to another Mary then there must be a burial for her somewhere for him to go on to marry Mary Whiley…..and as we know their son William Thomas was illegitimate so why did they wait 3 years and then marry? Could the reason be that WT was still married to Mary number one?

Burial – Nottingham St Mary
Mary Dickenson, aged 54, 14th February 1823 – abode Richmond Hill

Aged 54 in 1823 gives a birth year of about 1769; she dies 14th February 1823 and WT & Mary Whiley marry 10th March 1823……I am not sure where Richmond Hill is in Nottingham? and I didn’t find any other Dickenson’s in Richmond Hill.

Sheila. 

[willow154]

Sheila - lovely to hear from you   Hope you are ok.

Malc + Sheila,
It's interesting Sheila, that you found that court case - I hadn't seen it.
However, it fits in brilliantly with what I've found today.
I spent ages and ages looking at details on Shoreditch and dyer's apprenticeships, etc etc and came up with nothing - just a few burials, but nothing exciting. (I did find out that the records for the dyer's guild are on microfiche at the Guildhall Library).
So, then I thought I'd read through the thread again, and decided to see if I could find out anything about Caroline Norton - where she came from, etc. I looked at the parish registers for Nottingham, IGI, historical directories for a father, but still nothing! Finally, I thought I would just check the directories on ancestry, just in case there was anything different. That drew a blank, too; but just before signing off I thought I'd check the parish registers, and that's where I found the following information:
Marriages at St. Mary's, Nottingham 1566 to 1813:
Thomas Dickinson, b. & Caroline Norton Wright, lic. 01 Feb 1808.

Still can't find her baptism in Notts., but I found some information about a gentleman who may well have been her brother - Christopher Norton Wright. (I'd noticed this gentleman married and named his daughter Caroline Rose - if you look on the Notts baptism cd you will see she was baptised twice).
I'm wondering if this is the man (or his son) who compiled the Wright's Directory of Nottingham, but not completely sure yet.
I did find some information on him:
There were two men by the same name - father and son.
One was a member of Bromley House - he is featured in the member's list, and some details are given:
www.rootschat.com/links/05ut
More soon - I want to post this bit, as I just lost it all the first time
Paulene

[willow154]

Now for the next bit:
I did a search on googlebooks and found that good old Christopher Norton Wright had written an autobiography, which had got lost, but been found by his great granddaughter. She had it published in 1969:
No hero, I confess by Christopher Norton Wright, Margaret P Medlicott.
There is a snippet view on googlebooks - not much but it tells you he was born in 1790 (working this out from dates given) and that his father was an inn keeper, before changing trades.
There are lots of second hand copies of the book on the abe books site (very reasonably priced, too). I'm going to try to get hold of a copy, as it apparently sets the scene in Nottingham at this time, and mentions lots of interesting people - it might well tell us a bit more about the Dickenson family, Malc!
(No promises, though ) Sure to be a fascinating read.
Googlebooks also gives a bit of information showing that the marriage licence details for Thomas and Caroline's wedding is in the Nottingham Parish Registers book by Phillimore (bound to be in the Notts Archives).
In fact putting in Christopher Norton Wright in the search for google books brings one or two things up about him, and his son. A search for Caroline just confirmed that she was Norton Wright, and the details about the marriage and licence.
Well, this information might bring up something new - hope so.
Funny that Sheila should find the court case
Anyway, off to see if I can find out where Richmond Hill is.
Take care,
Paulene

[willow154]

Hi again,
It looks as if Richmond Hill is somewhere near where Cross Street and Platt Street used to be (Huntingdon Street today).
There is a list of Street on google books in Whites Directory of Nottingham 1832, and also on this site:
www.rootschat.com/links/05ne
And, the following site has a great map showing Cross Street + Platt Street:
www.rootschat.com/links/05uu
Hope this helps,
Paulene
P.S. One or two photos of Cross Street and Nile Street on www.picturethepast.org.uk

Sheila,
You've certainly come up with some great stuff!
Thank you.

[Dizzifish]

Hi Malc & Paulene,

A little bit more….

Looks like the marriage bond is with the University of  Nottingham at Kings Meadow Campus =
http://mss-cat.nottingham.ac.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Performance&dsqSearch=(PerformerRole==ROLEI19103)&dsqCmd=Show.tcl

So… Caroline’s father was Henry Wright and both fathers had to give consent, Caroline was 18; William Thomas Dickenson was father of the groom and Thomas Dickenson was also 18 a bachelor and a Dyer of Nottingham St Mary.

Marriage Bond - 27th January 1808
Marriage date – 1st February 1808 -Thomas Dickenson & Caroline Norton

So if Thomas gives his age as 18 in 1808 that gives a birth year of about 1790, which again fits in with the other findings.

Sheila.

[willow154]

Hi Sheila,
That's brilliant - I couldn't find it I  looked, but ever since they changed the searches I've got a bit confused,;I personally found it more straightforward as it was. It looks more modern now, I suppose.
The ages do fit in, don't they. The only difference is the occupation for Thomas - dyer rather than FWK. Maybe he wasn't a very good FWK, and returned to the family trade (the burgess details should show this). Sorry, Malc!
Thinking back, I did see an entry in one the directories, or somewhere, with regard to a Henry Wright who was a coal merchant, but I disregarded it at the time because it didn't seem to fit. I will see if I can locate it.
I've ordered my copy of the book, and it has been posted, so should be here within the next few days.
Paulene

[Red_Fred]

Good Evening Paulene and Sheila

What can I say, brilliant work by the both of you, many thanks.

I spent part of the afternoon in Notts Archives on the Richards-Chappell case which I will post separately tomorrow.

Had a very quick look at the burgess cards for William Thomas Dickenson but couldn't find one - my memory was obviously playing tricks !!

Richmond Hill was right on the edge of the town in 1820.  You are quite right Paulene it was near Plat Street - close to what is now St. Anns Well Road.  There were rows of houses close together:- Snow Hill, Richmond Hill and Sun Hill.  If you look at Smith and Wild's map of Nottingham (1820), Richmond Hill is just below the map title in the top right hand corner and immediately to the left of the engraving of the borough arms.

Re the court case of 1860 (Chancery), yes, thanks I have a copy of that.  Strange little story, about 40 years ago, when I was very young (a teenager) my mum's brother (b. 1895) told me that the Dickenson's had been "done out of" property.  I put that down to old family fantasies and was surprised to receive from a relative in Australia, a copy of the ruling.  The house in question, Ludgates is still standing in East Bridgford.  I have a photo taken by me last year - but don't know how to attach it !.

The licence for Thomas and Caroline's wedding (great work Sheila) seems to be the final confirmation that the William Thomas Dickenson in Shoreditch is the WTD who married Mary Whiley in 1823.

But what became of Thomas and Caroline.......

I will close now but will put another post up later this evening.

Many, many thanks ladies.

Malc

[Dizzifish]

Hello Malc & Paulene….

I was also wondering what became of Thomas & Caroline, there are no burials showing for them on the Nott’s burial index that I can see.

Paulene…the book sounds really good, I see there is a little bit about some of the Wright family featured in the book here -  http://www.geocities.com/lintywhite/cnwright2
If the information is correct Caroline’s parents/grandparents were quite well to do….coal merchant doesn’t follow well does it? And I see a couple of Caroline’s siblings married in the Shoreditch & Stepney area.

Sheila.