William Thomas Dickenson c1769-1828

[willow154]

James Dickisson  Cooper  1784/5  B.B

[Dizzifish]

Hi Malc…Hi Paulene…. 

I thought I would throw this into the mix just in case it gives you any other ideas.

Marriage - Nottingham St Mary
THOMAS DICKINSON & CAROLINE NORTON – 1st February 1808

Baptism - Nottingham St Mary
Willm DICKINSON – father Thos, mother Caroline – 6th December 1808
Mary Ann DICKASON – father Thomas, mother Caroline – 5th February 1811
Baptism - Nottingham St Nicholas
Charles Henry DICKENSON – father Thomas, mother Caroline – 29th October 1815; fathers occupation DYER – abode RUTLAND St.

Sheila.

[willow154]

Looks promising, Sheila

[Red_Fred]

Sheila and Paulene

Sheila,

Wow thanks, looks very promising.  There is an entry in Pigot's Directory for 1822 - "Dyer, Rutland Street, (W & T Dickenson)".  The "T" sounds like Thomas - brother or son of WTD ?

I'll pursue this.

William Thomas Dickenson was born c. 1769 (assuming his age at death to be correct - per his gravestone) thus IGI gives three possibilities nationally.

1. William Dickinson bapt at Lenton 17 July 1768 (father Henry mother Hannah)
2. Ditto Bapt. "about 1768" at Flintham, Notts mother Elizabeth
3. William Dickenson bapt Claypole, Lincs, 16 July 1768 (date is a strange coincidence with 1, above) father John mother Hannah.

Of these 1. looks to be a possible.

Paulene

Thanks for the stuff on the streets and the web-sites.  Bit of an "off the wall" thing here - re the site containing the the Poll Book.  The owner is an old mate of mine - we used to coach football teams together ten years ago or so. Small, strange world !! So double thanks for the link!!

Thanks to both of you thus far.  I feel that I am getting closer to WTD now.  With your help I will pin the old b***** down !

Keep the ideas coming.

Malc

[willow154]

Hi Malc,

Funny about the site

I've been researching early FWKs for my husband's tree in Nottingham, and whilst exploring sources and speaking to people, spoke to a lady from the Brewhouse Yard Museum in Nottingham. She told me that Sue Postles, who used to work there, had done extensive research into the Dyers in that area - especially one called William Elliott (I think) who lived and worked in that area. Although she has now retired, I was told that she still goes in regularly, so they know how to contact her.
It might be worth you ringing/emailing her to see if she has come across your ancestor's name.
I know that lots of the early FWKs had family connections - maybe this was the case with Dyers.
Have a look at this little article I found, which tells you how many came up to Nottingham from London - if you can't find his apprenticeship details, that might explain why!
www.rootschat.com/links/05o2

I knew that Brewhouse Yard was an interesting place (extra parochial, etc et) but never knew this:
www.rootschat.com/links/05o3
Must remember to investigate more!  Sound a wealthy lot, these dyers!

Have a little on dyers - back soon.

Paulene

[willow154]

Dyers in Nottingham:
Rare in 1583.
By 1630 there were enough dyers and clothworkers in the town to form themselves into a 'company'. There ordinances were ratified by the corporation in that year. There was a fuller, a dyer and a clothworker amongst the burgesses in  1625, and three dyers, four clothworkers and eight bleachers ( of linen) in 1641. Only three dyers left wills between 1660 and 1700; Deering's trade list of 1739 also enumerated three, together with one bleacher (of linen) and five linen weavers.

[Red_Fred]

Morning Paulene

Again many thanks for the information which I will follow up.

Particularly grateful for the Sue (ella) Postles link. I had contact with her years ago through lecture work. Would never have picked up on her interest in Dyers but for your good self. Will speak to Notts AO and get in touch with her.

You and Sheila have re-invigorated my search for the "Old Dyer".  Will post any new finds or problems on this thread.

Do they award Roots Chat Medals ? If they do I nominate you and Sheila for your info. and advice.

Malc

[willow154]

Pleasure, Malc
Sorry, realised last night I'd got Suella's name wrong, but you picked up on that, thankfully.

You've probably done this already, but thought I'd ask - have you looked at the name, wills and streets indexes in the Notts Archives?
I did this whilst looking for clues to find the parents of Joseph Richards b. 1756 - if you some across him, let me know, Malc! (I'm stuck with two Josephs married to Marys, at the same period in Nottingham, - need to find other things to unravel the mystery. The family seem to have lived, 1690 - 1750, around Leen Side and Navigation Row, near where the big explosion took place in 1818). I haven't cracked it yet, but enjoyed rummaging through all the stuff about old Nottingham (Must be because I'm from near Nottingham, and lived there until 11 years ago - still home in many ways).

Still trying to figure out where Academy Court is - not mentioned in Blackner's History - strange!

You know, I'm not terribly sure where Rutland Street is - only know that it's name came about because the land was owned by the Duke of Rutland. Wonder when it disappeared?

I know that the council have lots of deeds for old redevelopment areas in Nottingham - some went to the Notts archives, but some are still (think this is still true) in the Guildhall building, on Shakespeare Street. I intended to have a look for some deeds for Carter Gate, where the Ice Arena is today, but sadly never got round to it - maybe one day!

Found this whilst googling:
www.rootschat.com/links/05oi
Such a pity we don't know what names it contains; and that it looks as if it's ended up far away, and not in the Notts Archives

Anyway, let us know how you get on - all interesting stuff!
Kind regards,
Paulene

ADDED: Found Rutland Street.

[Red_Fred]

Paulene

Not been on the case for a few days but have left messages at Brewhouse Yard to ask for contact details for Suella Postles - will post any outcomes from that line.

Will put your Joseph Richards on my list for my next visit to Notts AO.

By the bye one of my g.g.g. grandads, Isaiah Clarke (dentist, widower) of Low Pavement, married a Charlotte Richards (spinster) of Clumber Street on 17 Sept 1837 at St. Peters, Nottingham - her father was Thomas Richards (gentleman) - any connection ?

Bizarrely I have a subsequent marriage for Isaiah Clarke on 14 November 1843 to Charlotte Chappell (widow) of Low Pavement, father Thomas Richards (gentleman).

I haven't found a death for Charlotte mark one.  It looks on the face of it that Charlotte mark two was mark one's sister.

IGI has a Charlotte Richards bapt. St. Marys, Nottm on 29 November 1801 - parents Thomas and Elizabeth Richards.

Again IGI has a Thomas Richards marrying Elizabeth Hinde at St. Marys on 5 October 1797.

Also a Thomas Richards marrying Elizabeth Flower on 10 Jan 1801 - again St. Marys

Charlotte Richards probably came from this union

Final bit of the puzzle a Charlotte Richards married George Graham Chappell on 2 Sept 1824 at St. Alkmund, Derby.  This would seem to be Charlotte mark two.

Any thoughts will be gratefully received on this one. 

Finally for now I am Nottingham born and bred (Meadows).  Back in the city for the past 20 years and still unable to find the time I would like to delve into the local archives !!!!

Malc