William Thomas Dickenson c1769-1828

[Red_Fred]

Hi Paulene

I put a post up on the London section to see if the WTD who married in Shoreditch was a Dyer.

No response on that score yet, but I did get some information on a partership he dissolved in Nottingham in 1809.

I also found out some less savoury information about his son WTD junior !

I don't know how to insert the link to the thread - and the Help Page seems to be unavailable, but if you go to the London Section you will spot the thread.  The info is of interest to me as you will see !!

Haven't done the Isaiah Clarke - Charlotte Richards/Chappell/Clarke post yet - I'm trying to puzzle out where the licence for the second marriage is held - it's not on the University Archives on-line catalogue.  Will need to speak to one or two experts in the church court field.

Thanks for the bit about Thomas and Caroline Dickenson.  I have posted a message on Genes Reunited as I think I have traced a descendant of Thomas and Caroline.

Will keep you posted

Malc

[Dizzifish]

Hello Malc & Paulene….

Paulene…the book sounds interesting; I will try and get a copy soon.

Malc…I did see your London post and WTD junior seems a bit of a character doesn’t he?
As for one of the son’s of Thomas & Caroline…the one I assume I found the baptism for in 1808 and spelt Willm….his full name must also have been William Thomas Dickenson ?

This must be the reference to his gravestone in Croydon cemetery (right hand side page about seventh line from the bottom)
http://www.archive.org/stream/croydoninpasthis00croy

This must be his death entry =
Deaths Dec 1871   
Dickenson  William Thomas  aged 62  Croydon  2a 109

Aged 62 in 1871 gives his birth year as about 1809 which works out.

1871 - RG10/841/143/61- 51, North End, Croydon + a wife & two sons
William T Dickenson - born Nottingham abt 1809; occupation = Tailor

1861 - RG9/344/18/46 – 3, New St, Newington St Mary + wife 3 children & Mother in law

1851 - HO107/1573/42/ 26 –Kennington St Mark, Lambeth -  33, Mansion House St, + wife & 4 children

1841 - HO107/1055/35/18 – Lambeth
 
Best Wishes

Sheila.

[willow154]

Goodness, Sheila - you've been working hard

The book is good; but I'm not sure it has lots of Nottingham facts - more the story of the man and his family. If you lived nearer I'd lend it to you.
I'm interested to hear what Malc, thinks of all this new information you've found.

Take care,
Paulene

[willow154]

Sheila,
There's another one:
Will Thos Dickenson b. 1819
HO107 Piece 2139 Folio 547
So many of 'em! Gets confusing, doesn't it!
Paulene

[Red_Fred]

Hi Paulene and Sheila

My Genes Re-United contact is actually a descendant of the Wrights but has included  Thomas Dickenson and Caroline Norton Wright family.

She has a William Thomas Dickinson (sic) born on 3 December 1808, died Croydon 5 Oct 1871.  In addition she has Charles Dickinson (sic) born 1815 and Mary Ann Dickinson (sic) born Nottingham 1 Feb 1810, died Croydon 21 August 1875.

The William Thomas Dickenson from 1819 you have picked up Paulene is probably mine, technically, I guess, he was baptised as William Thomas Whyley and acquired/was given the name Dickenson when WTD's wife died and he married Mary Whyley

Incidentally I establish from the Nottingham Journal that WTD junior (mine) was put in gaol for debt and discharged on 5 April 1843.  He had been lodging with his father-in-law Isaiah Clarke in Beeston, together with his wife, eldest daughter Mary Jane Dickenson born 1841 and eldest son Isaiah William Dickenson, born Beeston in Nov. 1842. 

WTD then shoots off to his step uncle Joseph Doncaster in Morton, Notts, then to a carrier's house, William Miller on Carter Gate, Newark before returning to Isaiah Clarke in Beeston where he is caught up with, arrested and put in gaol.

I have yet to read the court case, but there are two thoughts in my mind either WTD was a wastrel or his dyeing business had failed for commercial reasons - or both !

Back to the other family - I will have a look at the London/Croydon connection.  I guess the family split around the time of death of Mary Dickenson in 1823 or a bit earlier when Mary Whyley produced the baby in 1819.  A bit of me wonders whether the boy was really WTD senior's or maybe his son Thomas Dickenson (who was living in Rutland Street presumably with his father, Mary Whyley, and his wife Caroline) had something to do with events - if you follow my drift !

Thanks again for your help - I've still got to do the Charlotte Richards/Chappell and Isaiah Clarke post !!

KRs
Malc

[willow154]

Hi Malc,
I read your post earlier, but was in the middle of tracking down another elusive family, so thought Id come back to you later.
I must admit it did take me a while "to catch your drift" - so much has happened in this thread!
If I've got this right, William Thomas Dickenson jnr was allegedly the son of Mary Whiley and old WTD, but you're wondering whether he might in fact have been the son of Thomas Dickenson. might explain why they all went their separate ways after, Malc. I suspect that sort of thing happend in many families, and "arrangments" were come to to keep things quiet. Don't suppose we shall ever know.
The debtor's prison doesn't sound that bad:
www.rootschat.com/links/05y9
In one of the old books I came across that a Joseph Hall was in the debtor's prison for a short spell - might well be one of ours Not sure, yet.

Malc, I see that lots of new LMA records are starting to come up on the ancestry site - its not all there yet; but I had a quick look for Dickensons but nothing as yet. (Best to check, just in case I missed anything). But, it is in it's infancy.
Have you thought about putting on a post entitled 'Anyone going to the Guildhall Manuscripts Library?' If anyone is going I wouldn't think it would take them long to look on the microfiche for an apprenticeship record. Just a thought.

I know the thread has been complicated, and a bit long-winded, but I've really enjoyed working alongside you and Sheila.
I'll keep a look out for the new thread. Good luck.
Take care - hope the football's on tomorrow
Paulene

[Red_Fred]

Hi Paulene

Thanks for the advice on the Guildhall Manuscripts Library - I'll post a thread on the London section.

Although I have been musing on the biological father of WTD jnr, the gravestone of WTD senior in Shelford churchyard makes it very clear that his then wife, Mary Whiley as was, wants the world to know that WTD was a loving father (to WTD jnr).  But then she would say that, wouldn't she ! As you say we'll never know.

Football was good thanks - wonderful weather for once

KRs
Malc