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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #9 on: Friday 29 May 20 15:28 BST (UK) »
Will leave looking for Edmund Hartley for tonight, off to bed :)
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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #10 on: Friday 29 May 20 15:39 BST (UK) »
Great minds think alike Biggles50 :)

We certainly do

Lan Opc is a great place to start looking for any Lancastrian birth and by that I mean true Lancashire that includes Liverpool and Manchester.

I like the mis-spelling of Wardle as Weurdle, which made my Mrs chuckle as she used to live there

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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #11 on: Friday 29 May 20 20:53 BST (UK) »
IGI 1851 census shows Charles Hartley, born in Preston, Lancashire, as a 20 year old lodger at St Margaret's, Ipswich, Suffolk, his occupation is listed as 'Musician travelling with wild beasts'.
Waghorn family - Kent (Tonbridge, Cranbrooke, Benenden, Penshurst), England.
Lawrence family - Berkshire, England.
Charles Henry Hartley 1830-1908
John O'Hanlon - Kilkenny, Ireland.
Andrew Jardine 1769-  Ayrshire
Mary Adlin - Kent (1778-1849).
Henry Rutter - Lincolnshire (1823-1901)
Dale family - Staffordshire

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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #12 on: Friday 29 May 20 21:22 BST (UK) »
The Charles Hartley bapt. 2 Sept. 1831 Preston, Lancashire - his father is named as John. There was a John Hartley born in Preston, Lancashire 8 April 1809. John's parents were Richard and Ellen. Whether or not this is the same 'John' I can't determine as yet.
My minor concern in finding 'Charles Hartley' is that we're actually looking for Charles Henry Hartley. I am quite new to this genealogy research, is it quite common for middle names not to be recorded on 'official' documents?

Waghorn family - Kent (Tonbridge, Cranbrooke, Benenden, Penshurst), England.
Lawrence family - Berkshire, England.
Charles Henry Hartley 1830-1908
John O'Hanlon - Kilkenny, Ireland.
Andrew Jardine 1769-  Ayrshire
Mary Adlin - Kent (1778-1849).
Henry Rutter - Lincolnshire (1823-1901)
Dale family - Staffordshire


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« Reply #13 on: Friday 29 May 20 22:09 BST (UK) »
The Charles Hartley bapt. 2 Sept. 1831 Preston, Lancashire - his father is named as John. There was a John Hartley born in Preston, Lancashire 8 April 1809. John's parents were Richard and Ellen. Whether or not this is the same 'John' I can't determine as yet.
My minor concern in finding 'Charles Hartley' is that we're actually looking for Charles Henry Hartley. I am quite new to this genealogy research, is it quite common for middle names not to be recorded on 'official' documents?

Yes, it is.

You can find say a birth for John Smith, right year, right location, right Mothers Maiden name.  Census records him as John Smith then in another census John has become John Walker Smith, you know he is right because of parents and siblings.

It just happens, as does loosing a middle name, name changes, spelling, mis-transcription, disappearances, zero census records.

You will long for people with two or more forenames as your research progresses.  The real joy is when Mother’s Maiden name or even one of the Grandparents surname is given as a middle name it does help a lot.

I have Thomas Drummer Thompson and his father Thomas Ewbank Thompson as xGGrandfathers so a good guide as to their parentage (floor cleaning jokes about the Ewbank middle name have had the life sucked out of them).

Do remember not all records are online and do not trust trees on Ancestry.  Use them as a very rough guide and gather your own info.

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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 30 May 20 00:06 BST (UK) »
Biggles has given good advice in his last 2 posts. I particularly like mention of "true Lancashire".  :)
Middle names weren't common in 19thC.
Did anyone mention that ages might be flexible? Ages on records should be regarded as approximate unless/until you have corroboration.
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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 30 May 20 14:17 BST (UK) »
The 1831 Preston Charles H is still in England in 1871 Census.
Married down as born c 1829, Occp Showman/Musician
Living in Nottinghamshire.
So you can rule him out I would say.

1861 they are in Norfolk;
Charles Hartley   40
Elizabeth Hartley38
Livinia Hartley   6
Henry Hartley   4
Harriett Hartley   0
Daniel Heonll Bales 25
Edwin Smith   15

Charles age is out though.

Child from 1871 Census;
HARTLEY, AMELIA mmn BLIGHT 
GRO Reference: 1861  J Quarter in YARMOUTH  Volume 04B  Page 15

Marriage;
   
5 Jul 1852
St Simons, Liverpool, Lancashire
Charles HARTLEY, Father JOHN
Elizabeth BLIGHT, Father HENRY
(Source Familysearch.Org)

Marriage is not on LancsOPC

1881 youngest child Lillie  (1871 Census) is a Apprentice Equestrian at the "Circus" Humberstone Rd, Leicester, Leicestershire,
(she was born c 1868 Liverpool)
Also there are Elizabeth Hartley   47 and Fred Hartley 18
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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #16 on: Monday 01 June 20 18:20 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the advice Biggles. Yes, I have found a persons middle names will often relate to the mother's maiden name - very considerate of them.
Waghorn family - Kent (Tonbridge, Cranbrooke, Benenden, Penshurst), England.
Lawrence family - Berkshire, England.
Charles Henry Hartley 1830-1908
John O'Hanlon - Kilkenny, Ireland.
Andrew Jardine 1769-  Ayrshire
Mary Adlin - Kent (1778-1849).
Henry Rutter - Lincolnshire (1823-1901)
Dale family - Staffordshire

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« Reply #17 on: Monday 08 June 20 22:40 BST (UK) »
Been fishing for possible fathers of our Charles Hartley (1830-1908) and found a Charles Hartley b. 26 Sept. 1803 Holborn, London - Parents, William and Sarah. Can anyone provide more details...?
Waghorn family - Kent (Tonbridge, Cranbrooke, Benenden, Penshurst), England.
Lawrence family - Berkshire, England.
Charles Henry Hartley 1830-1908
John O'Hanlon - Kilkenny, Ireland.
Andrew Jardine 1769-  Ayrshire
Mary Adlin - Kent (1778-1849).
Henry Rutter - Lincolnshire (1823-1901)
Dale family - Staffordshire