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Looking for HARTLEYS
« on: Friday 20 February 09 00:14 GMT (UK) »


Can any one help please.

I am in particular looking for the family & sibling of Charles HARTLEY born 1831
Lancashire.  Charles became a sailor, next a whaler, mainly around the Sth Pacific, eventually settling in New Zealand & marrying in Okains Bay, New Zealand, a Martha HOLSTEIN (formerly BOMFORTH from East Retford), in 1861.

His father may have been Benjamin HARTLEY...but not too sure if this is the correct line.

Thank you,
Tiffaney
Caithness: Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Mill 
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillans
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Scott,Craigie, Sinclair, Tulloch, Spence, Laing
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp, Boone, Carter, Lee, Gill,
London:  Laver, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason,Satchell.
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Galletly
Ireland: Angland

N.Z: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer,  Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour, Bomforth,  Dunn, Galletly

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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 February 09 00:37 GMT (UK) »
Is his fathers name not shown on his marriage cert?

The only Charles Hartley in Lancashire in 1841 around the right age was aged 11 and was living in Rochdale with a Simon (70) and Mary (65) Dearden

1841 census does not show relationships or actual birthplaces but all are shown as born in county (Lancashire).  However - in the next house are

Edward Hartley 30 stonemason
Kitty or Hetty 35
Frances (female) 7
Simeon 3
HO107 Piece 552/15 Folio not shown  Page 5

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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 February 09 04:13 GMT (UK) »
Re:  Charles HARTLEY 1831 - 1908

Thank you for your posting Carole W.

No, have Charle's marriage cert. & there is no mention of his parents, hence I'm stumpted.

On his marriage cert. he is listed as a bootmake..where did her learn that trade..in England?

One Hartley was told he was born in Blackpoole but haven't had any results from that query as yet.  He was quite a big set man, & apparently  able to speak several languages quite fluently , which enhanced his stories, most prob. due to his being at sea & visiting several countries.

His childrens names were: (may assist)

(1)  William Hartley
(2)  Robert John Edward Hartley
(3)  George Frederick Hartley
(4)  John Christopher Hartley

Hope something comes to the fore.

Many thanks for your time,
Tiffaney NZ
Caithness: Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Mill 
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillans
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Scott,Craigie, Sinclair, Tulloch, Spence, Laing
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp, Boone, Carter, Lee, Gill,
London:  Laver, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason,Satchell.
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Galletly
Ireland: Angland

N.Z: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer,  Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour, Bomforth,  Dunn, Galletly

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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 May 20 11:35 BST (UK) »
Hi, I also am trying to discover the elusive Charles Hartley. My father's sister, June, married Harry Hartley (1926-1998) of Okains Bay - Charles is his Great Grandfather. I noticed you mentioned an old Hartley said he may have been from Blackpool. On IGI I found an 1841 Census showing the Deardon household of Wardle Fold, Rochdale. Lancashire, which lists the occupants (with age) as - Simon Deardon 70, Mary Deardon 65, James Deardon 25, John Farrar 5, and Charles Hartley 11 (born 1830).

Interesting...
Waghorn family - Kent (Tonbridge, Cranbrooke, Benenden, Penshurst), England.
Lawrence family - Berkshire, England.
Charles Henry Hartley 1830-1908
John O'Hanlon - Kilkenny, Ireland.
Andrew Jardine 1769-  Ayrshire
Mary Adlin - Kent (1778-1849).
Henry Rutter - Lincolnshire (1823-1901)
Dale family - Staffordshire


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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 May 20 14:18 BST (UK) »
From earlier;

Edward Hartley 30 stonemason
Kitty or Hetty 35
Frances (female) 7
Simeon 3

Marriage;
Betty DEARDEN to Edmund HARTLEY 29 Nov 1829 St Chad, Rochdale
(Source FreeREG)

Baptism;
Baptism: 11 Apr 1830 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
CHARLES Hartley - [Child] of Edmund Hartley & Betty
Abode: Wardle Fold
(Source LancsOPC)


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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #5 on: Friday 29 May 20 14:39 BST (UK) »
1851 Census
Edmund Hartley   42 Stone Mason
Betty Hartley   45
Frances Hartley   17 Cotton Weaver
Simon Hartley   13 Cotton Weaver
Alice Hartley   9
Elizabeth Hartley 3
Mary Hartley   26 Sister
Philip Howorth   24 Lodger
All born Rochdale

1861 Census
Edmund Hartley   52 Stone Mason
Betty Hartley   54
Alice Hartley   19
Elizabeth Hartley 13
Walter Hartley   9 Grandson

Cant find Betty in 1871 but in 1881 she is with Daug Frances now Mrs RUSHTON, married James Rushton 30 Jul 1854

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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #6 on: Friday 29 May 20 14:59 BST (UK) »
Marriage;
07 Nov 1799 St Chad, Rochdale
Simon DEARDEN, abode Weurdle
Mary ASHWORTH, abode Small Bridge
Both signed X

BETTY Dearden Bapt 27 Jan 1805 Rochdale, Lancashire
To SIMON/MARY
(Anc.)
Several possible siblings;
James 1799 (Mother Mary Ashworth)
Simon 1801
James 1802
Simon 1803
John 1805
Mary 1807
Abel 1808
Robert 1809
Ann 1813

I cant link James Dearden c 1816 to them sorry.
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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #7 on: Friday 29 May 20 15:01 BST (UK) »
On Lan Opc it reports 5 Charles Hartley baptisms in the whole of the county of Lancashire five years either side of 1831.

One of the entries is

Baptism: 2 Sep 1831 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Charles Hartley - [Child] of John Hartley & Mary
    Abode: Bread St New Preston
    Occupation: Flagger
    Baptised by: R. Carus Wilson Vicar
    Register: Baptisms 1828 - 1832, Page 105, Entry 838
    Source: LDS Film 1278755

Which is certainly nearer to Blackpool than Rochdale is which is the other listing nearest to the date that you quote

Baptism: 11 Apr 1830 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Charles Hartley - [Child] of Edmund Hartley & Betty
    Abode: Wardle Fold
    Occupation: Labourer
    Baptised by: Rd. Whitelock, Curate
    Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1832, Page 30, Entry 239
    Source: LDS Family Search


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Re: Looking for HARTLEYS
« Reply #8 on: Friday 29 May 20 15:21 BST (UK) »
Great minds think alike Biggles50 :)
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