BURTON in Normanton-on-Trent

[CaroleW]

Hi Lindoo

I don't have a copy of William and Bertha's marriage certificate.  How can I go about getting this?

Using the reference you quoted above  In 1904 William married Bertha Emma HOTCHIN (Glanford B 7a993). you can order a copy marriage cert online at www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

That will give you his fathers name which will help to confirm if the census entries I found are the correct family

[Lindoo]

Thanks CaroleW,

Have ordered marriage cert for William and Bertha.  Also taking a chance with ordering cert for  William and Ellen (1876).  Ditto for Joseph and Emma (1851).

Does earlier census than 1881 show Joseph BURTON and Emma in Notts?

Regards....
Lindoo

[CaroleW]

Does earlier census than 1881 show Joseph BURTON and Emma in Notts?

Yes - 1871 in Normanton and the added bonus of confirming you have the right marriage for Joseph & Emma.  Everybody b Normanton unless shown otherwise

Joseph Burton 52  market gardener
Emma 42  b Newark
Joseph   16 
John  14 
Nathaniel  12 
Emma  10 
Fredrick   8 
Richard   6 
Frank   4 
Mary Eggleston 76  mother - widow - annuitant b Newark
RG10; Piece: 3456; Folio: 63; Page: 13

Per IGI

EMMA EGGLESTONE   Christening:  03 JUN 1829   Newark Upon Trent, Notts

Father:  WILLIAM EGGLESTONE    Mother:  MARY 

[Lindoo]

Hi CaroleW,
That's excellent!

Trying to go back to find Joseph's father.  The marriage cert I've ordered will give his parents.  Free BMD does not go back before 1837.  Are there other options?

Regards...Lindoo

[CaroleW]

Hi

The marriage cert will only give his fathers name and occupation.  The IGI has a lot of pre-1837 births and is free at www.familysearch.org

This is one to bear in mind given that he named one of his sons Nathaniel but you can't be sure until you get the marriage cert

JOSEPH BURTON Christening:  04 AUG 1818   Marnham, Nottingham  Father:  NATHANIEL BURTON    Mother:  SUSANNA 

[CaroleW]

Slight change of birthplace on the 1861 census which makes the IGI christening above more likely

1861 for Normanton.  All children b Normanton

Joseph Burton 43 b Marnham master gardener
Emma 35 b Newark
William 9
Ann 7
John 5
Nathaniel 3
Emma 1
Elizabeth 47 sister b Marnham
RG9 Piece 2417 Folio 65 Page 15

In 1851 - Joseph (32) gardener and his sister Elizabeth (37)  were in lodgings in Marnham.  Birthplace for both was Marnham
HO107 Piece 2121 Folio 678 Page 3

ELIZABETH BURTON  Christening:  09 JUL 1813   Marnham, Notts
Father:  NATHANIEL BURTON   Mother:  SUSANNAH

1841 for Marnham - all born in county.  The 1841 census does not show relationships or actual birthplaces - just whether they were born in the county in which they were living.   

Nathaniel Burton 65 farmer
Elizabeth  27 
John   25 
Joseph  23 
HO107 Piece 866/6  Folio 5 Page 13

NATHANIEL BURTON Christening:  27 NOV 1774   Marnham
Father:  JOSEPH BURTON    Mother:  ELIZ  (Eliza/Elizabeth??)

Deaths December qtr 1844 
 
Nathaniel BURTON   East Retford  15 349

East Retford covered Marnham

 

[Lindoo]

CaroleW,

That's great and curious too! 

From 1881 Census Joseph and Emma had children: William (28), Mary (27), Joseph (25), Nathaniel (21), Emma, Richard, Frank and Arthur.

20 yrs earlier the 1861 census gives Joseph and Emma with children William, Ann (7),  John (5), Nathaniel (3).  This gives a discrepancy in ages (eg. Nathaniel either 21 or 20+3=23) and two children Ann and John who conflict with Mary and Joseph but their ages are spot on! 

Would you have a child Ann and in 20yrs time call her Mary instead?

Regards...
Lindoo

PS. I'll start a new string, this one is getting a bit long.

[CaroleW]

Don't start a new topic - it will confuse things.  You need to keep on here for continuity

Never pay too much attention to ages - many people only aged 5 years between a 10 year census

[CaroleW]

New post  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=363238.new

Posted by Lindoo

Nathaniel BURTON was born in 1774 in Marnham and died in Dec 1844.  He married Susannah  and they had children named Elizabeth (b. 1813), John (b. 1816), and Joseph (b. 1821).  1841 census H0107 Piece 866/6 Folio 5 Page 13.  Thanks to CaroleW.

Nathaniel BURTON's father was Joseph and his mother Eliz (Eliza or Elizaeth).

Is it possible to go even further back?

Reply posted by Sunflower today

Hi Lindoo

Nathanael Burton married Susanna Parker at Marnham 31.12.1812

2 more children born to Joseph & Elizabeth

John Burton bapt 28 Feb 1768
Joseph Burton bapt 24 Nov 1772

Carol