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Re: Albert(Alfred) WITHERS
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 18 February 09 18:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tati, Liz, Anna,
I go away for a cup of tea and everything happens !!
First, many thanks for your efforts, I think you can see my problem now !!
William Charles and Henry Albert are his brothers.
lizdb - I sent for that cert and its the wrong parents.

I think I will send for all the Thornbury certificates, just to see what I get.

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Re: Albert(Alfred) WITHERS
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 18 February 09 19:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Baptisms.

 Berkeley Gloucestershire

William Charles Withers 21 -08 - 1853

Henry Albert Withers 28-1-1855

Father of both Henry Withers occ.sailor, mother Eliza

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Re: Albert(Alfred) WITHERS
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 19 February 09 17:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Joburg,
Thanks for those.  The rest of his children were baptised in Cardiff.
The one I need is the only one I am missing - Albert.
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Re: Albert(Alfred) WITHERS
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 19 February 09 18:14 GMT (UK) »
I suspect "Henry Albert" is your Albert.  His baptism date of 1855 fits more closely with 5 yr old Albert than with 4 yr old Henry in 1861.

It was not at all uncommon in the 19th century for a boy to be given his father's first name and a different middle name, by which (middle name) he would be known in the family.

Perhaps having baptised him Henry Albert they got so used to calling him Albert that they thought they might as well use Henry for the next son!

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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Albert(Alfred) WITHERS
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 19 February 09 18:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Anna,
I thought about that but the 1861 census has both Henry (b c1857 in Cardiff) and Albert (b c1856 in Berkeley (spelt Birkby)).  In 1871 Albert is with his parents in Cardiff, and Henry was at his grandmothers in Wanswell, Berkely.  So they were definitely 2 different people.
I know what you are saying as my name is Arthur Roger and my father was called Arthur, so I was called Roger and still am by my mum!
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Re: Albert(Alfred) WITHERS
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 19 February 09 18:48 GMT (UK) »
I wasn't suggesting Albert aged 5 and Henry aged 4 were the same person!
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Albert(Alfred) WITHERS
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 19 February 09 19:32 GMT (UK) »
I wish to subscribe to Anna's theory! :D  (I had completely missed the fact that Henry was born Cardiff!)

Who can see Henry's birth registration (hopefully post-January 1855)?  :P
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Re: Albert(Alfred) WITHERS
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 19 February 09 19:43 GMT (UK) »
Haha!

Henry Witthers
Mar 1857
Cardiff 11a 259

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Re: Albert(Alfred) WITHERS
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 21 February 09 15:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Anna & Tati,
Sorry Anna, I thought you were, but now I look at your ideas I think you may be right.
However I have sent off for the 2 x birth certs for Thornbury already, (Go on Tati, say it!, I should have listened to you two ladies before rushing off).
If they both come back as wrong, I will amend my tree as you suggest, I will let you know.
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