Windass/Windes Kingston upon Hull

[julieann1]

My OH's gg grandma Harriet Windes or Windass was born Kingston upon Hull in about 1827.

I have found her on the 1851 census living in Kingston upon Hull with her sister Mary, and brother in law, Edmund Banham.

Mary Jane Windass was baptised in 1832 Saint Mary, Kingston upon Hull, daughter of George Windass and Elizabeth.

I am trying to find Harriet or her family on the 1841 census.

Any help appreciated.
Thanks
Julie

[wendy47]

Hi Julie

I found the following and wondered if they were yours. The surname looks like Winter but the christian names match yours I believe

1841 Census for Holy Trinity, Kingston upon Hull
Charter House Square

George Winter     50 Labourer
Elizabeth Winter    40
Harriott Winter    15
George Winter    18
Mary Winter    8

All born in County

HO107; Piece 1230 Book: 11  Folio: 28 Page: 10

Regards Wendy

[julieann1]

  Thanks so much, Wendy. 
It's one of those surnames that makes you go a bit ga-ga, always spelt differently or mistranscribed.

[wendy47]

Hi Julie

I think it must be them.
I suppose local accent and the enumerators spelling does make things difficult, but they didn't know there would be people over 160 years later trying to find them

wendy

[julieann1]

Hi Wendy
When I looked at the 1851 again, I realised that there was no long s on Windass, and there was on other words on the page, so I now think on that occasion it was spelled 'Windars'  although transcribed on Ancestry as Windass.Another spelling to add to the list.
 Trying to imagine what a Hull accent sounds like.  My OH is from York, I wonder if it's similar.

Thanks for your help.
Julie

[wendy47]

Hi Julie

Being a Southerner living in Norfolk I can well believe a guess of what is being said takes place.
My gggranfather was Swedish so Carlson ended up as Charlson. Still looking for him before 1861. 

Hope your researches are successful

Wendy

[otters]

Have you found the marriage for George and Elizabeth on the IGI?

He is George Winders and she is Elizabeth Burnham married 11 June 1812 at St Mary's Hull. It looks like their daughter Jane has married a relation. (Edmund Banham)

The Hull dialect does make Windas sound like Winders and also Burnham and Banham are alike in the dialect.

Hope this can help you.

Sorry I don't have access to the census records but look for Winders again.

[julieann1]

Thanks Otters.  I did find that marriage.  I will investigate the Burnham/Banham connection.  Sounds like a posibility.
Julie

[Nanny McPhee]

Hi there

Do you know if you have Windass family in and around Beverley, which is only just up the road!  The person I am referring to is Thomas Windass.  I don't know anything about him other than my gt gt gt grandfather [in law] assaulted him....twice!  I am so sorry about it if it is an ancestor of yours.

1840 On the 16th November 1840 George Duffill, a tailor of Beverley received a Conviction of Assault against Thomas Windass at the Parish of St Mary, Beverley.  He was fined 10 shillings plus 11s.6d costs or 14 days in the House of Correction.

1840 And on the 4th of December 1840 George Duffill was fined 5 shillings plus 10s.6d costs or 14 days in House of Correction for assaulting Thomas Windass again!

He assaulted many people over a period of time, including his wife.  If it is of any consolation he did end up in an asylum in Clifton, York in 1871 and then Broadgate in Walkington till the end of his life in 1893.  I would be interested to know if you have any links with Thomas?

Cherryl