SHEEHAN (Seaham) JOHNSTON (Whitehaven)

[Michael Dixon]

Elz,

1901 Census ( 4795-171-26)

30 Davis St, Wallsend
Head John Sheehan, 28 hewer
Wife Elizabeth Sheehan 28
Son John Sheehan, 4.
 Son Daniel bSheehan 2 
(All born Cleator Moor)

So birth of Ellen Sheehan on 22 Nov 1902, ties nicely into the above household !

You a worrier, will still be troubled with the fact that your "target" was recorded as "Eleanor" on the marriage cert, not as "Ellen" on the birth cert and was was one year younger. 

Note that the mother on the birth cert is Eliza... the wife on the 1901 census is Elizabeth.

In a couple of weeks you will be able to the family on 1911 census, and hopefully see Eleanor/Ellen within the household of John/Eliza(beth).

These little differences come along frequently when researching our families.
And us modern lot, conditioned with having to know our data, e.g.dob, postcode, NI Number, PINs etc assume our ancestors did the same.  Remember folk generally only needed to know their age once every 10 years and maybe once for marriage.

Michael

[Elz]

Thanks Michael, I understand your experienced viewpoint and I really am learning alot from this message board that I have not learned a quarter as much from mags and books.

Actually I really do want her to be the right one because I love Newcastle, I even lived there 2 years and know Wallsend. Its funny how this all works out!

Do you think the Carvel is right or do you think the line of Carver's that I have found are right.

I think I found some others from their time in Wallsend.
James Stanley Sheehan 1901 and Winifred Sheehan both 10b 213... does that mean twins?

Then 1908 Joseph Jeremiah Sheehan Newcastle 10b 209. I have learned that from 1908 the Wallsend births moved to Newcastle from Tynemouth so could be same family!

[Elz]

Newsflash!!!

Just Googled Eliza Carvel and up it came with the correct person from Ancestry in the 1881 census (even tho I spent all evening on that site with not a trace of her...)

I feel this is the right spelling and the right person because they are based around the Cleator Moor area. The Carvers I had thought seemed to be publicans around Whitehaven.

Daniel Carvel b1836 Ireland Labouror
Ellen   1846 Ireland
Edward 1863 Egremont
Daniel 1868 Cleator Moor
Eliza Ann 1872 Cleator Moor
Alice 1879 Workington

I feel I have made a huge breakthrough with this find! And there is the link with Ellen again.

[Michael Dixon]

Elz,

 BMDs in Wallsend were registered with Tynemouth Registration District ( but there was a sub-district "office" in Wallsend, to save shoe leather)

Tynemouth Reg District covered from territory from south of the River Blyth, Cramlington, Whitley Bay,  Longbenton , Wallsend, North Shields, Tynemouth.

"Tynemouth Reg District " was renamed South Northumberland in 1936. Then in 1974 Wallsend BMDs were transfered to Newcastle.

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Parents were allowed 42 days grace to register their child.... then The District Office would then send copies quarterly to HQ London.

Any births within e.g. the Sept qtr 1901 of Tynemouth, were registered within the period 1st July 1901 to 30 Sept 1901. But could have been 42 days prior to registration, i.e as early as end of May.

So John Stanley and Winifred could have been twins or children of two separate Sheehan families... born anywhere within the areaq covered by Tynemouth RD.

( Sadly the deaths of both John Stanley and Winifred were also registered in the same Sep Qtr with Tynemouth RD.


Note the registration of birth of Edward CARVER Sheehan in June Qtr 1908 with Whitehaven Reg District. And then Vincent Carver Sheehan in June qtr 1916.

If these births are to John and Eliz. Sheehan, then it suggests they moved back to Cumberland circa 1908.

A Daniel Sheeham marries an Elizabeth Hall in Whitehaven 1934... John?elizabeth had a Daniel on the 1901 Census.


Many pieces seem to fit, but of course it all needs coroboration.

Michael Dixon

[Elz]

Thanks, interesting about the poor babies...

I think the Carvers were a different family because i looked into it and found the parents didnt match up.

[Michael Dixon]

 Elz, OK so are you saying your line is Sheehan/Carvel, not Sheehan/Carver ?

 Michael

[Elz]

Sheehan/Carvel because its Eliza Carvel on Ellen's birth certificate. I have a Daniel Carvel b. 1836 and Ellen Boyles b.1846 both Ireland. They had daughter Eliza Carvel in 1872 Cleater Moor.

She married John Sheehan and had Ellen. I am sure this all fits together exactly. As you said when the 1911 census comes out this will be confirmed.

I think two Sheehan/Carver and Sheehan/Carvel families are around same place same time but Carver's not quite right.

[Michael Dixon]

 Elz,

When you write " .... but Carver's not quite right "  , do you  mean that they are just not your line ?.   

 Michael

[Elz]

Id been looking at Carvers 28 Lowther St Whitehaven in 1981 census. wife Elizabeth Ann Carver born 1859, daughter Emily Eliza born 1878 but whole family stayed around Whitehaven town.

This is the same family with Pemberton's as middle names (someone found on this list)

They ran various pubs. John Carver, Head, came from Isle of Man. Lived in Lowther st which was quite grand compared to where I expect my family to live!

Also the Edward Carver Sheehan born 1908 whitehaven clashes with the Joseph Jeremiah Sheehan born 1908 newcastle, where we know the Sheehans had Ellen in 1902 (John and Daniel having been born in Cleater Moor)

Just my thoughts but I am often wrong! The Carvers seem to be Whitehaven based and the Carvels Cleator Moor and Egremont.