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Re: The "deaf, dumb, imbecile" part of the 1911 census
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 11 February 09 20:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Evie,

Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking. Do you have any idea of (very) approximately what percentage of people would be classified as having a "disability" in say the 1901 census? I mean, if I was to look at 50 households, and say 5 households had an x in the column for some persons, and none of the 50 households had no other writing in that column, would this mean that the 'x' probably meant disability, as one would expect at least someone from 50 households to be disabled?

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Re: The "deaf, dumb, imbecile" part of the 1911 census
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 11 February 09 20:51 GMT (UK) »
Ahmed I have looked at thousands of pre 1911 census and it it is rare to see any entry in the column so if it changes to x in 1911 then I would be very wary. I can't wait until they make the 1911 census available for Durham then I could answer your question for sure.
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Re: The "deaf, dumb, imbecile" part of the 1911 census
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 11 February 09 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Prehous,

The census in question here is 1901 not 1911 (Ahmed made a mistake in the title) so the x's in the extract are from 1901.

You will not be able to see the information on disabilities in the 1911 census until 2012 as the Govt has imposed a 100 year embargo on that part of the 1911 census
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.

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Re: The "deaf, dumb, imbecile" part of the 1911 census
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 11 February 09 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I wouldn't like to hazard a guess regarding percentage. Interesting question though. I wonder if anyone has done any statistics on it?

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Re: The "deaf, dumb, imbecile" part of the 1911 census
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 11 February 09 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to RootsChat Ahmed  :)

You often see X in that column (defo a check mark!) for people born out of the county. Were they?

 
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Re: The "deaf, dumb, imbecile" part of the 1911 census
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 11 February 09 20:59 GMT (UK) »



Hi Ahmed,

The same applied to the family of my paternal great grandparents in 1901.

Like you .. I was very concerned at the time, and also quite surprised it referred to only the parents .. the mark appeared to be the number 4?

Then it dawned on me .. when I looked at the previous and following pages, all the people who weren't born in county had exactly the same mark .. it was a cross and not as I'd first thought .. !

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Re: The "deaf, dumb, imbecile" part of the 1911 census
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 11 February 09 21:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tati, Pels,

Ah! Yes, the husband and wife were born near Huntingdon, as was their eldest daughter. Then they moved to Salford later on. That explains it!!!

Many thanks to you all, this is a most helpful forum, and I am sure I will be returning to ask more questions in the future as I carry on with my research!  ;D

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Re: The "deaf, dumb, imbecile" part of the 1911 census
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 11 February 09 21:05 GMT (UK) »
Prehous,

The census in question here is 1901 not 1911 (Ahmed made a mistake in the title) so the x's in the extract are from 1901.

You will not be able to see the information on disabilities in the 1911 census until 2012 as the Govt has imposed a 100 year embargo on that part of the 1911 census


Sorry Davidft my mistake getting late now, tired eyes syndrome taking hold.
Preshous: Yorkshire/Durham
Penwrights: Bedfordshire/Tasmania
Blake: Sunderland
Stace: Sussex/Sunderland
Murray: Cumberland
Sanderson: Berwickshire/Durham
Burnside: Darlington

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Re: The "deaf, dumb, imbecile" part of the 1911 census
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 11 February 09 21:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi All!

The 'x's on the sheet look like they were written with a different pen and were probably added after the sheet was originally filled in, in other words, they look like statistical counting and not part of the original information.  My instinct is to ignore them  ;)

Prehous, you're right about earlier censuses, usually that column doesn't have any marks in it apart from specifying the disability; but the 1901 census sheets do seem to be plagued with these marks - statistical research must have taken off in a big way at that time, yawn .....  ::)

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