Still Chasing the ST. HILL Family

[Lucy2]

Hi All

Itch ... itch.           

I wonder if the (presumably) Letters of Administration, were processed through a Court outside of NZ ?
(Couldn't see anything for VIC or NSW - didn't look at UK).

The article does say that "the Registrar furnishes an account in  .... "  ... perhaps he is just conveying the contents of the court documents concerning the estate of Richard St. HILL ?    Richard may have been the recipient of say, a land grant in NZ   ... or somesuch ?     Maybe it was a matter requiring a ruling by the NZ judiciary ... before L of A  could be granted ?

[But if the matter was of a truly serious nature, you'd sort of expect that there might be follow-up info in the newspapers about it ?]

Bit of a "curly" one  ... huh ?     

Lu

[Koromo]

Riley, I'm very grateful for all your efforts to track these ST HILLs.  It is odd that the Southern Cross[/l] has mentioned it, and yet it's not listed in the Intestate Estates.

I like Lucy's possible scenario.  There was a ST HILL from this family who settled in Tasmania, but not until 20 or so years later.  The original Henry ST HILL (of the 1861 will) and his brother had been plantation owners in Trinidad so it could all relate back to family dealings there ... or even some distant remnant of the ancestral home in Devonshire.

Thank you both for the time and and thought you've put into this family.
(I do hope the itch doesn't spread — it'd be hard to scratch under the armour!)

Koromo

[collandtyree]

Re St Hills in NZ this may be helpful discovered via the Australian National Library on-line digitised newspapers.

Trove Hobart Mercury, June 1 1918


The death, took place yesterday, after a brief illness, of Colonel Windle Hill St Hill, for a period extending over 40 years one of the most familiar figures in Hobart the deceased was the youngest and last surviving son of Henry St Hill, Bradnach Manor, Devonshire, England, and was born in  1837, at St Omer, in France, and was therefore 81 years of age. He completed his education in England, and came out to New Zealand and served on the staff of General Cameron through the Maori war, afterwards going to India, where he held a commission in the 19th Regiment (Princess of Wales's Own)[/i] In the  late seventies he left England for Tasmania, and acted as private secretary to Governor Weld and from June 10,1878, until May 19, 1880, he was Commandant of the local forces, and was a very popular officer.

[Koromo]

Hi collandtyree

Welcome to RootsChat!

Thank you for taking the trouble to post the piece from the Hobart Mercury about Windle ST HILL.  Even though I have only the most tenuous link (by marriage of a 3rd cousin) to the St HILLs, their history has always fascinated me.

Do you have St HILL connections?


Koromo

[collandtyree]

Hobart born Charlotte Mills, my mother's aunt,  married Charles St Clair Beford; their daughter Aiudrey married William St Hill in Hobart.

From TROVE - 1908 The engagement is announced of Mr .
Loudon St. Hill, fourth son of Colonel St. Hill, to Misa Irene M. Simcox,
youngest daughter of the Rev. F. E.Tolling-Simcox, of ' Porangahan,
Hawke's Bay, New Zealand.

Between the Wars, in Tasmania and Victoria,Loudon St Hill of a later generation became well known as an artist and theatrical designer; after WW 2 in London.

From TROVE - Hobart Mercury Wednesday 3 March 1937 - The engagement is announced of Audrey Jessica, only daughter of Mr and Mrs. C. S. Belford, The Continental, Macquarie St., Hobart, and William! eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. R. L. St. Hill, Awatea, 4 Proctors Rd., Hobart!

[Koromo]

The Trove website is wonderful and I've found out quite a lot about the Tasmanian St HILLs.

There is a photo of Windle on a couple of Ancestry family trees and the National Library of New Zealand has a different photo of him along with other officers of the 65th Regiment:

http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE1111887&dps_custom_att_1=tapuhi

If you download the photo (by clicking on the download icon, next to the printer icon) you should get a high-resolution version.

(If the above link doesn't work, try the View archived copy online link at the bottom of this page:
http://tapuhi.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/spydus/NAV/GLOBAL/OPHDR/1/1251321)

Cheers
Koromo

[keyless]

Anyone interested in the St Hill's still out there?

 I have recently come across Richard Augustus St Hill (the connection is through his wife, Mary Elizabeth Hope, daughter of the Rev. William Johnson Hope).  They married in Moreton Bay Brisbane in 1857, two years after the good reverend died.  I don't think he would have been too happy with his daughter's spouse - in July 1859 a warrant was issued for his arrest - he had embezzled 1000 pounds from his employers, the Bank of New South Wales in Brisbane.  The warrant described him as a native of the West Indies, one third removed from white, about 27 years of age, the son of a NZ J.P.  It seems he was apprehended, brought to trial and discharged on a technicality.  There was also another charge brought against him for an unpaid debt in May 1860 and he was declared bankrupt in July 1860.  And then I lose him until a RAStH appears in Tasmania in 1919.

Mary Elizabeth died in Victoria in 1902 but Richard eludes me.

From my reading through this old forum posting and other hunts, it would seem this Richard is the son of James Henry St Hill, though there is no mention of him in JH's application for passage to NZ.    Did he return to NZ after his brush with the law in Australia?  Is he the St Hill at school in the English 1841 census (haven't found that one yet, only a mention of it on a St Hill thread)?  Is he the Richard Augustus St Hill, gardener,  on the Tasmanian Electoral Roll of 1919?  That would see him weeding away aged 82.

For those of you out there who like to follow interesting connections and who may not have made this one - Mary Elizabeth Hope was the 1st cousin once removed of Mary Reiby - the plump little lady on the Australian $20 note.

[Koromo]

Hi keyless

Ah, Richard Augustus St HILL.  I've never satisfactorily placed him in the antipodean St HILL family.

... it would seem this Richard is the son of James Henry St Hill

From your post, I am supposing that Richard would have been born about 1832 in the West Indies as a "one third removed from white" child.  At that time, James Henry St HILL was a declared bankrupt, working as an architect in London.  He married Anne ROBINSON in London in 1837 and to my knowledge had no children.  However, the St HILLs were no strangers to illegitimacy and Richard could well have been James' son from before his marriage — James himself was illegitimate!


Did he return to NZ after his brush with the law in Australia?

From the Timaru Herald (NZ) 11 June 1864:

Richard St Hill was placed at the bar charged with forgery and uttering.  The prisoner pleaded guilty, and called Alfred Osborn as to character, who deposed that he had known prisoner twelve months and had always found him steady and of good character.

His Honor said he should take into consideration the character given to the prisoner, and would sentence him to twelve months imprisonment in Lyttleton gaol with hard labor, to be computed from 1st June instant.

Is he the St Hill at school in the English 1841 census ...

Henry W[oodford] St HILL, son of Henry Charles St HILL (1783-1861), is at school in London in 1841 aged 13.  I can't see any other St HILLs at school then.

You have caught me at just as we are about to have a visitor in the house for a few days so I won't be able to devote much time to going through all my notes, etc.  Another St HILL researcher has your Richard Augustus as a son of Richard Augustus of St Vincent (as below). Unfortunately the name Richard (and Augustus less so) is often used by the St HILLs and their SAINTHILL ancestors from Devon so it's not that easy to be sure of who belongs to whom!

Koromo

[Koromo]

They married in Moreton Bay Brisbane in 1857, two years after the good reverend died.

A thought — an 1857 Queensland marriage certificate should show the parents' names.  Mind you, I guess the information is only as good as the informant wanted it to be!

Koromo