finding mary ann chatfield

[youngtug]

I have just today received the birth cert, for Mary Ann Dove Chatfield. 18-may-1853.  No father. Mother; Jane Chatfield. Residence; 63 south molton street. Registration district ; Saint George Hanover Square. county of Middlesex.

So, has expected no father. but mothers name may help to find them on the census. I may get the cert, for Ellen Norah Dove Chatfield sometime, but not just yet. Thanks for your interest. John.

[jorose]

Was Mary also born at 63 South Molton? (should be an address for where she was born and an address for where the informant was living - presumably this was Jane).

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ shows 63 South Molton street, in 1852, as the address of George Cheney, bronze and ormolu manufacturer - he is still there in 1861, and was unmarried (there is his housekeeper, her son, and some other apparently unrelated people staying there as well).

So potentially Jane was either working for or lodging with George Cheney when she had her daughter Mary. If she registered the birth herself then "Dove" is probably her way of indicating the father of her child.

[youngtug]

Hi, yes, Mary was born at 63 south molton st, and it was her mothers [Jane] residence. I agree that the inclusion of Dove in her name is an indication of the fathers name. [Also if the other Dove Chatfield girl has the same mother this would be more likely.]  As I said at the start, the witnesses at Mary's wedding were ; William Waring Dove and Louisa Alice Dove.  Of Mary's children there are of interest these four with these christian names ; Alice Jane.   Marie Louisa.  William Henry  and  Cyril Waring.  The only William Waring Dove to be found was a organ maker of poland street, oxfords street. In 1852 he is in debtors prison. I am fairly certain that he is the probable father, but, I need some proof before I can say he definitely is and enter him in my tree.

[jorose]

Looking again, there is a William Warin Dove death in 1879 and a William Warren Dove death in 1880 - both aged 58.
So now I am wondering again if William Warren b. France is the right man.

There is a 1860 marriage for a William Dove to Eleanora Lock; they had a child, Alice, who is with them in 1871 (aged 9).  This William is a piano tuner in 1871, 49, b. Gt Baddow Essex - might fit better with the occupation of the William Waring Dove who was an organ maker?

So far I'm not having much luck finding them in 1861.

[youngtug]

Hi I agree that the William Waren Dove born france is probably not the  one. William Warin looks a better bet, just need a connection. Have been looking for a coule of years now, slowly getting closer. Thanyou, John.

[youngtug]

An update, I looked on the 1851 census for Jane Chatfield and found her living at 20 Poland Street. Also at 20 Poland Street was William Dove. concertina maker, Born Great Baddow,essex,,, so jorose looks like you are right. I have looked for William on the 1851 before and not found him, but having Mary's mothers name it came straight up. William was in bankruptcy in 1852 in the London Gazette William Waring Dove ,late of 20 Poland Street.Oxford Street. Also there are two mentions of William Waring Dove in the concertina museum site, showing an example of his work.[with a label with address on]I think this just might be enough to prove a link. So thank you for your help, I will update if I find out any more. Must try and track Jane and her children now. John.

[youngtug]

This is an interesting item; http://www.concertinamuseum.com/CM00258.htm

[youngtug]

In case anyone is interested on the 1851 census William Dove gives his place of birth to be Great Baddow, Essex.
So it looks like Jorose got him..