finding mary ann chatfield

[youngtug]

hi, i have aproblem. my gtgtgrandfather john wilson married mary ann chatfield 17th july 1876 at the reg. office st george. hanover square. on the marriage cert. mary does not have her parents named. the address given is the same for both john and mary and as john is not from london it could be a lodging house. the witnesses where ;-william waring dove and louisa alice dove. the problem is that i cannot find any of these three people in the censuses for 51-61-71-81

[hepburn]

What age was Mary Ann?

[nanny jan]

Hi,

I wonder if this is your Mary Ann?

Births:

Mary Ann Dove Chatfield   JunQ 1853    St Geo Han Sq   1a   179
 (found on FreeBMD)


Nanny Jan

[youngtug]

mary ann was 22 on the marriage cert. which should make her birth date 1854+or-   

[youngtug]

hi nanny jan, thanks, i didnot think of that [i looked for louisa chatfield. wrong way] john and mary gave one of their sons the middle name waring, sooo will try the census again.

[jorose]

freebmd shows:

William Warin Dove, d. Mar 1879 quarter, Barnet, aged 58.
He may have originally been "William Warren".

1871:
RG10/1304  47/68 (Sunbury)
William W. Dove, 48, b. France (British Subject)
Frances, wife, 47,b. Remmington? (Kent written and crossed out, 'Surrey' inserted?)

In earlier censuses they have children - Isabel Fanny, Ellen Elizabeth, Louisa Julia.  Quite a gap between Isabel and Ellen, though.
In 1881 Frances is widowed and living with Louisa, another daughter Marianne Rose, and a granddaughter, Frances Ethel M. Freeman.
(Isabel Fanny "Done" and James Freeman married in 1874.)
In 1871, Ellen, Louisa, and "Kate" (aged 8, might be the same as Marianne) are at a boarding school in Thames Ditton.

There are two children with middle name "Dove" last name Chatfield on freebmd, possibly sisters.
Ellen Norah Dove Chatfield, Sep 1851 (Westminster)
Mary Ann Dove Chatfield, Jun 1853 (St. George Han Sq)

Around this time William was in London and in fact in debtor's prison!
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/21319/pages/1422

A Louisa Alice Dove married in 1880 in Strand, but I can't work out who to or where she came from.

[youngtug]

hi jorose, looks promising, a lot of work probably.  mary ann & john gave their last son the middle name waring. mary ann is on the 1881 censuc[mary ann wilson] and on the 1901 but she dissapears from the1891 census along with 2 children. all she has as place of birth is london. when john & mary ann got married the place they where living at was 23 clarendon street pimlico.   could the louisa dove you found be louisa alice????must leave ....late ...thanks

[jorose]

Their daughter Louisa I think was "Louise Julia" (b. 1858, m. 1881 after the census).

Interestingly, at 49 Clarendon Street in 1871 (listed as in St. Pancras?) was:
RG10/225 18/30
James Dove, 43, organ tuner and voicer, b. Paddington
Elizabeth, 43, b. Westminster
children b. St. Pancras:
Henry, 15
Charles, 11
Ann, 9
Sidney, 7
Willie, 6
Frank,3
John, 1
Elizabeth A. Sceales, lodger, 30, married, b. St. Pancras.

I think this man's name might be James Bricknell Dove, in case that rings any bells.

It would be best at this point I think to get the birth certificate of Mary Ann Dove Chatfield.

[youngtug]

hi jorose, thanks. i will go for her birth cert. but at the moment i am waiting for another cert. [for johns fathers marriage]the cost mounts up.