Author Topic: Douglas' of Ballycrum/Ballynahery  (Read 5914 times)

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Re: Douglas' of Ballycrum/Ballynahery
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 14 February 09 20:11 GMT (UK) »
John Douglas of Ballynaherry, Drumachose
is listed in the Tithes valuation, 1826 and
also the 1831 census.
He was still in Ballynaherry [or a son named John]
in the Griffiths valuation of 1858 with a house valued
at £1, 10 and 2 parcels of land 16acres and 10 acres
valued at £16 [from Marquis of Waterford]
Additionally, John Douglas and others rented hilly
land from the Marquis of Waterford [258 acres] in
Ballycrum townland, probably for sheep/cattle grazing.

It is possible that John Douglas was the father of your
William Douglas.

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Re: Douglas' of Ballycrum/Ballynahery
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 14 February 09 21:34 GMT (UK) »
The Estate of John H. De La Poer Marquis of Waterford (1871):
Lot 80- part of the Townland of Ballycrum- no Douglas but 260 acres 1 rod 3 perches (Joseph Pollock, Robert Rankin, Thomas Mullan, William Stewart, Daniel Smyth) might be the258 acres John Douglas and others rented earlier.
Lot 86- has part of Ballycrum but no Douglas listed.
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Re: Douglas' of Ballycrum/Ballynahery
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 15 February 09 18:05 GMT (UK) »
Yet again my grateful thanks to you both for your diligence in this matter.

Your reference to John H de la Poer, Marquis of Waterford is the key. My ancestor, John Douglas, ran off with his wife (Lady Florence Grosvenor) and they lived in a turf house in Magilligan - she was well known for her prowess with the slane - which they called 'Power House'. The Marquis took it well and he went on to marry Lady Blanche Somerset. You couldn't make it up, could you?

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Re: Douglas' of Ballycrum/Ballynahery
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 15 February 09 18:36 GMT (UK) »

The 'official line' is that his first wife, Lady Florence died during childbirth
4 April 1873

'John Henry de la Poer Beresford, fifth Marquis was married twice, first to Lady Florence Grosvenor (who died in childbirth and whose monument is inserted in a window at Clonegam, Waterford) and later Lady Blanche Somerset, only, daughter of the 8th Duke of Beaufort'.


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Re: Douglas' of Ballycrum/Ballynahery
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 15 February 09 20:58 GMT (UK) »
Of course, the 'official line' would say that. The Marquis wanted the matter hushed up as my ancestor was the father of the child. The scandal was fully reported by Myles na Gopaleen in the Limavady Sunday Sport of the time. As the child was a boy and the Marquis' child by Lady Blanche was a girl, I belive I am the rightful heir to the title. This makes me equal to aghadowey who I see is a Marquessate.

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Re: Douglas' of Ballycrum/Ballynahery
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 15 February 09 22:35 GMT (UK) »
 Gosh, Who is left for me to look down upon. "I know my place"

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Stewart, Irwin, Morrison, Haslett, Murrell - Dungiven area Co. Londonderry
Browne, Barrett -Co.Armagh
Neil, Smyth _Co. Antrim

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Re: Douglas' of Ballycrum/Ballynahery
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 15 February 09 22:53 GMT (UK) »
Sorry drumaleif but I'm descended from High Kings of Dalriada and other royalty. Besides, illegitimate child of Marquis of Waterford's wife would have no claim to any inheritance if the story is true.
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Re: Douglas' of Ballycrum/Ballynahery
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 07 May 13 12:54 BST (UK) »
Sometimes family stories are incorrect or a bit confused.

John, Marquis of Waterford had several children by his 2nd wife, the eldest being a son and heir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Beresford,_5th_Marquess_of_Waterford

Florence's maiden name was Rowley (not Grosvenor)-
http://www.thepeerage.com/p2384.htm

Perhaps there's been some confusion with this court case- see here
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Re: Douglas' of Ballycrum/Ballynahery
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 09 May 13 18:00 BST (UK) »
Aghadowey,
The issue here is whether you believe The Times or the Limavady Sunday Sport. Unfortunately, the back issues of the Sunday Sport were used up in the Great Fish And Chip Paper Famine of 1921-2 caused by the glut of potatoes during those years.
There are so many inaccuracies in The Times story, e.g. they eloped to Magilligan not Paris.

Seriously though, fascinating reading. Thank you for pointing it up.